[LGRW Prospects] Seravalli on Daily Faceoff Live: GMs surprised by sweetener for Walman, some asking why they didn’t know about it and that they would’ve done it in a heartbeat
June 26, 2024
[LGRW Prospects] Seravalli on Daily Faceoff Live: GMs surprised by sweetener for Walman, some asking why they didn’t know about it and that they would’ve done it in a heartbeat
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Just a massive red flag. Didn’t even bother shopping him around the league. Seravalli and Friedman are both linking them to Gibson too, who has been absolute shit for 6 straight years. None of this makes ANY SENSE.
I mean.. I’m sure the majority of teams would’ve jumped at the chance to get paid a draft pick to take on a decent starting D-man on a good contract.
You can let us taste what you’re cooking anytime now, Steve.
Need to see those future considerations notes
If they would’ve taken Holl too, then I’d be all for it. Heck if they would’ve taken Fabbri, I would’ve been happy. Walman wasn’t that bad a player or contract that we have to attach a second to the deal to get rid of him and I’m by no Means a Walman fan
My heads about to pop. I don’t know why we didn’t try to put him through waivers first.
Wonder if this was to control WHO got Walman? Like…. Steve gets to choose to not play against him by putting him in SJ? Too big brained?
This is why I suspect that there has to be something else in the works. The move on its own simply doesn’t make any sense at all. Waiving Walman would have gotten rid of him just fine without losing a 2nd round pick.
Something else is cooking, that or Yzerman had a stroke.
Everyone needs to R E L A X
Get thru the buyout period. Get thru the draft. Then see what happens in Free Agency. See where things stand come training camp.
If, by then, this was just a BAD DEAL, Stevie should rightfully be called on it. But, if something bigger and better materializes, we’ll be signing his praises. It sucks right now, but time will tell….
I guess there’s always the slim chance that the Future Considerations actually mean something in this case.
I’ve been an yzerman truther since day 1. This trade was a point for me where I just have lost hope. Really hope he proves me wrong but you’d have to do some serious mental gymnastics to come up with a situation where this is a good move
This just breathes a tiny bit of life into the dying ember of hope that this is one of the rare occasions where future considerations actually turns out to be something.
My guess is that there is a deal coming back already for the “fc” portion but we needed cap space asap
Three way trade incoming for player X where SJS takes on additional cap space in order to fill its “future considerations”
Hopefully future consideration is taking on the buyout of holl or copp or both.
What the fuck are we doing here? I’ve been a massive defender of Yzerman throughout this entire process, but his moves over the past two years have been horrible outside of signing Patrick Kane and his first round picks + Augustine (I’m actually fond of Kasper, Danielson, and ASP).
We keep thinking that he’s just going to galaxy brain the league here, but maybe he really is just making bad moves. This is the exact shit we chased Kenny out the door over, and while Kenny was still doing dumb shit in Edmonton that likely cost them a Cup that with better roster construction they could have easily won, Yzerman was supposed to be different. Who actually built the team in Tampa? Was it more Al Murray?
The Amateur scouting team seems alright, I’ve had my criticisms of Draper, but overall they’re not busting on 1sts, and might hit a later round pick or two, but this pro scouting team is outright garbage. What the fuck are you thinking making these moves? This isn’t 1999 anymore, everyone is using sophisticated metrics to build teams, so the “tough, smelly defenseman” also has to be good at playing fucking hockey.
We’re dumping Jake Walman off, WITH A PICK, to be in on Chychrun, who can’t even stay healthy? We trade away a promising RHD prospect for a 2nd that we just gave way, and the player we got back is a nothingburger that may play some games in GR. I like John Gibson, I think he’s a good goalie behind the right defense. We do not have a good defense. We better not be giving up significant asset to get him, pay him $6m a year, when we need money to pay Kane, or go after Guentzel, or Necas, or SOMEONE WHO CAN ACTUALLY FUCKING SCORE GOALS.
Andrew Copp? Paid to be a decent 2C, is a 3-4C. Compher, paid to be a 2C, is a GOOD 3C, fair. Chiarot, without extremely favorable deployment, he’s a disaster that can’t eat big minutes, almost $5m a year. Justin Holl, 2 more years of him sitting in the press box or making the worst decision you’ve ever seen.
Glad we got rid of Nielsen, Abby, Helm, and Ericsson! We definitely didn’t just sign modern versions of these terrible contracts!
Dangle rant over.
Yzerman and the sharks know something that’s gonna happen on the draft floor
Best case scenario is we waive Holl and San Jose picks him up. Other than that I really have no clue.
My thoughts exactly. We’ll know more in a few days, I’m sure. But given the publicly-available information, this is a hard one to wrap my head around.
The last year and a half of Stevie’s moves aren’t doing a whole lot to inspire confidence.
I love the guy and he’s one of my all-time sports heroes but he’s making some really questionable choices.
I’m all for the Yzerplan but this, this was a fucking mistake.
There has to be something with Walman’s health that we don’t know about. He missed a lot of games last season for vague reasons.
With the information that we currently have on the situation, this looks like one of the dumbest trades I have ever seen.
Maybe Steve smoked a lil too much before this one
A lot of armchair GMs.
The only people who know why he did that are Steve and his staff. It seems bad now but could look better in a month.
Yeah I don’t have to be a GM to be surprised. wtf
People are overreacting to this so much. Jake Walman played awful down the stretch last season. At times, it looked like he wasn’t even trying. He started off hot in DET and played well at times last season, but this sub is acting like we just traded Nicklas Lidstrom for nothing.
There’s so many reasons why Yzerman would do this, whether it be the log jam at d (lefties specifically), create cap space to extend ghost or Kane, etc.
Jake Walman was never moving the needle for this team.
For the life of me I still don’t get it. I don’t get trading Gibson. They drafted him 42nd overall last year. They’re already positive he’s a bust and not worth checking out? If that’s the case how could they make such a mistake taking him with that pick last year? Then Wallman for future considerations wouldn’t be worth it let alone adding a second round pick! Who are we so desperate to make room for? Worst move in Yzerman tenure
Even if there is something cooking, nothing excuses attaching a 2nd round pick to move Walman. Terrible asset management. He’s had some terrible FA signings, but this is the first move that really has me questioning the front office because what the fuck
Old Baby Frank might be the least connected “insider” out there. He also has clear grudges against certain teams (Canucks, Red Wings).
You shouldn’t just believe what he tells you.
Yet it’s still even more unbelievable that the SJ deal was the best that Yzerman could have made. Old Baby Frank might be guessing right this time.
Ok, so like… If this is just a cap dump, why are we dumping cap exactly?
Are Kane, Mo, and Raymond about to make $30m? I’d love to sign Kane again, but if that means we are all of the sudden a cap team, no thank you.
What is the best case scenario here? I think that might be that this isn’t a pure cap dump, we are close on Kane, Mo, and Raymond. Mo at 10, Raymond at 7, and Kane at 5? 22m? Is 22m chill for that? Think we could get these three done for 20 or under? Maybe put Raymond on a 3×6 bridge deal. I think Mo will surely get at least 10, but if we can get him at 9, Raymond at 6, and Kane at 4, well there is your cap space for Saros. If we end up paying those three close to 30, Mo at 11×8, Raymond at 8×8, and Kane at 6… well yeah we need the cap and I’d hope a pick comes back our way.
So this could go two ways. We dumped cap to shell out on these three and we’ll see a pick(s) come back from SJS. Or, we are getting these guys signed for under 20m, and are clearing space for a big splash in FA.
If we see a first come back from SJS, I’m OK with moving Walman and a second for that. Especially if it makes room to sign Kane.
Given the timing, I’m mildly curious if there was a part three to this sequence (part one being obtaining the pick for Gibson who, fwiw, had been signed to an ELC and, as such, was not nothing to the Wings) that for some reason fell through at the last second. I’m in the “wait and see” camp, but the timing on this is the most puzzling part.
They can’t negotiate with free agents yet, and I doubt this trade alone would have had to precede signing anyone in the fold right now, Kane and Ghost included, since the cap crunch is all hypothetical right now until all the signings happen. So why this seemingly urgent move, several days before the draft or free agency? I wonder if there was another trade that was supposed to happen in tandem with this one, and somehow it didn’t. Usually when those types of things happen, they happen all at once.
The reasons in a vacuum to trade Wally are fair and fine, but the trade itself screams urgency, or piece-of-a-puzzle, and in 24 hours nothing has materialized.
Maybe there’s something up with Wally and they felt the need to beat that revelation, whatever it is, to the market? Idk, it’s unexplainable to me…
Anticipation anxiety is peaking
This Yzerplan bullshit is not working. Look at these contracts for Chiarot, Holl, Copp, Compher… This team is a dumpster fire and the future looks bleak. How long before the kids start requesting trades?
I think we’re still waiting to see if this opens up the can of worms people are suspecting: circumventing Holl’s NTC with waivers and future considerations. The NHLPA would lose their minds.
I’m sure they would not have been nearly as interested in taking on both Walman *and* Holl’s contracts.
People need to relax.
I’m fine with criticizing Yzerman, but so far I don’t have many issues with anything he’s done. Were some of the contracts last year not the best? Absolutely. Did he actively improve the team drastically in about 2 years? Absolutely.
We missed playoffs by one game last year, a huge improvement over the year before.
We got Patty Kane to come to town.
We signed Larkin to basically retire as a Wing.
We could’ve easily won 10+ more games last season had we not had goalie woes and injuries.
This team is moving forward for the better, and this trade is so puzzling to a point that there has to be more to it. We won’t know until Friday (draft) or Monday (free agency). Until then we are all just speculating.
I’m thinking those future considerations involve the draft, and Yzerman doesn’t want to tip his hand about who he’s going for.
Yzerman didn’t just suddenly become brain dead. He knows he could have just waived Walman.
There are only two possibilities:
SJ going to eat one of our contracts.
Yzerman is braindead and needs to be fired.
Hope for one, prepare for the other. This tweet makes me think SJ is going to take one of our contracts via waiver. It’s the only way the move makes sense in light of this information. Yzerman didn’t shop Walman, or even waive him? Just straight up shot him off with a second? That’s fireable asset management.
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Just a massive red flag. Didn’t even bother shopping him around the league. Seravalli and Friedman are both linking them to Gibson too, who has been absolute shit for 6 straight years. None of this makes ANY SENSE.
I mean.. I’m sure the majority of teams would’ve jumped at the chance to get paid a draft pick to take on a decent starting D-man on a good contract.
You can let us taste what you’re cooking anytime now, Steve.
Need to see those future considerations notes
If they would’ve taken Holl too, then I’d be all for it. Heck if they would’ve taken Fabbri, I would’ve been happy. Walman wasn’t that bad a player or contract that we have to attach a second to the deal to get rid of him and I’m by no
Means a Walman fan
My heads about to pop. I don’t know why we didn’t try to put him through waivers first.
Wonder if this was to control WHO got Walman? Like…. Steve gets to choose to not play against him by putting him in SJ? Too big brained?
This is why I suspect that there has to be something else in the works. The move on its own simply doesn’t make any sense at all. Waiving Walman would have gotten rid of him just fine without losing a 2nd round pick.
Something else is cooking, that or Yzerman had a stroke.
Everyone needs to R E L A X
Get thru the buyout period. Get thru the draft. Then see what happens in Free Agency. See where things stand come training camp.
If, by then, this was just a BAD DEAL, Stevie should rightfully be called on it. But, if something bigger and better materializes, we’ll be signing his praises. It sucks right now, but time will tell….
I guess there’s always the slim chance that the Future Considerations actually mean something in this case.
I’ve been an yzerman truther since day 1. This trade was a point for me where I just have lost hope. Really hope he proves me wrong but you’d have to do some serious mental gymnastics to come up with a situation where this is a good move
This just breathes a tiny bit of life into the dying ember of hope that this is one of the rare occasions where future considerations actually turns out to be something.
My guess is that there is a deal coming back already for the “fc” portion but we needed cap space asap
Three way trade incoming for player X where SJS takes on additional cap space in order to fill its “future considerations”
Hopefully future consideration is taking on the buyout of holl or copp or both.
What the fuck are we doing here? I’ve been a massive defender of Yzerman throughout this entire process, but his moves over the past two years have been horrible outside of signing Patrick Kane and his first round picks + Augustine (I’m actually fond of Kasper, Danielson, and ASP).
We keep thinking that he’s just going to galaxy brain the league here, but maybe he really is just making bad moves. This is the exact shit we chased Kenny out the door over, and while Kenny was still doing dumb shit in Edmonton that likely cost them a Cup that with better roster construction they could have easily won, Yzerman was supposed to be different. Who actually built the team in Tampa? Was it more Al Murray?
The Amateur scouting team seems alright, I’ve had my criticisms of Draper, but overall they’re not busting on 1sts, and might hit a later round pick or two, but this pro scouting team is outright garbage. What the fuck are you thinking making these moves? This isn’t 1999 anymore, everyone is using sophisticated metrics to build teams, so the “tough, smelly defenseman” also has to be good at playing fucking hockey.
We’re dumping Jake Walman off, WITH A PICK, to be in on Chychrun, who can’t even stay healthy? We trade away a promising RHD prospect for a 2nd that we just gave way, and the player we got back is a nothingburger that may play some games in GR. I like John Gibson, I think he’s a good goalie behind the right defense. We do not have a good defense. We better not be giving up significant asset to get him, pay him $6m a year, when we need money to pay Kane, or go after Guentzel, or Necas, or SOMEONE WHO CAN ACTUALLY FUCKING SCORE GOALS.
Andrew Copp? Paid to be a decent 2C, is a 3-4C. Compher, paid to be a 2C, is a GOOD 3C, fair. Chiarot, without extremely favorable deployment, he’s a disaster that can’t eat big minutes, almost $5m a year. Justin Holl, 2 more years of him sitting in the press box or making the worst decision you’ve ever seen.
Glad we got rid of Nielsen, Abby, Helm, and Ericsson! We definitely didn’t just sign modern versions of these terrible contracts!
Dangle rant over.
Yzerman and the sharks know something that’s gonna happen on the draft floor
Best case scenario is we waive Holl and San Jose picks him up. Other than that I really have no clue.
My thoughts exactly. We’ll know more in a few days, I’m sure. But given the publicly-available information, this is a hard one to wrap my head around.
The last year and a half of Stevie’s moves aren’t doing a whole lot to inspire confidence.
I love the guy and he’s one of my all-time sports heroes but he’s making some really questionable choices.
I’m all for the Yzerplan but this, this was a fucking mistake.
There has to be something with Walman’s health that we don’t know about. He missed a lot of games last season for vague reasons.
With the information that we currently have on the situation, this looks like one of the dumbest trades I have ever seen.
Maybe Steve smoked a lil too much before this one
A lot of armchair GMs.
The only people who know why he did that are Steve and his staff. It seems bad now but could look better in a month.
Yeah I don’t have to be a GM to be surprised. wtf
People are overreacting to this so much. Jake Walman played awful down the stretch last season. At times, it looked like he wasn’t even trying. He started off hot in DET and played well at times last season, but this sub is acting like we just traded Nicklas Lidstrom for nothing.
There’s so many reasons why Yzerman would do this, whether it be the log jam at d (lefties specifically), create cap space to extend ghost or Kane, etc.
Jake Walman was never moving the needle for this team.
For the life of me I still don’t get it.
I don’t get trading Gibson. They drafted him 42nd overall last year. They’re already positive he’s a bust and not worth checking out? If that’s the case how could they make such a mistake taking him with that pick last year?
Then Wallman for future considerations wouldn’t be worth it let alone adding a second round pick!
Who are we so desperate to make room for? Worst move in Yzerman tenure
Even if there is something cooking, nothing excuses attaching a 2nd round pick to move Walman. Terrible asset management. He’s had some terrible FA signings, but this is the first move that really has me questioning the front office because what the fuck
Old Baby Frank might be the least connected “insider” out there. He also has clear grudges against certain teams (Canucks, Red Wings).
You shouldn’t just believe what he tells you.
Yet it’s still even more unbelievable that the SJ deal was the best that Yzerman could have made. Old Baby Frank might be guessing right this time.
Ok, so like… If this is just a cap dump, why are we dumping cap exactly?
Are Kane, Mo, and Raymond about to make $30m? I’d love to sign Kane again, but if that means we are all of the sudden a cap team, no thank you.
What is the best case scenario here? I think that might be that this isn’t a pure cap dump, we are close on Kane, Mo, and Raymond. Mo at 10, Raymond at 7, and Kane at 5? 22m? Is 22m chill for that? Think we could get these three done for 20 or under? Maybe put Raymond on a 3×6 bridge deal. I think Mo will surely get at least 10, but if we can get him at 9, Raymond at 6, and Kane at 4, well there is your cap space for Saros. If we end up paying those three close to 30, Mo at 11×8, Raymond at 8×8, and Kane at 6… well yeah we need the cap and I’d hope a pick comes back our way.
So this could go two ways. We dumped cap to shell out on these three and we’ll see a pick(s) come back from SJS. Or, we are getting these guys signed for under 20m, and are clearing space for a big splash in FA.
If we see a first come back from SJS, I’m OK with moving Walman and a second for that. Especially if it makes room to sign Kane.
Given the timing, I’m mildly curious if there was a part three to this sequence (part one being obtaining the pick for Gibson who, fwiw, had been signed to an ELC and, as such, was not nothing to the Wings) that for some reason fell through at the last second. I’m in the “wait and see” camp, but the timing on this is the most puzzling part.
They can’t negotiate with free agents yet, and I doubt this trade alone would have had to precede signing anyone in the fold right now, Kane and Ghost included, since the cap crunch is all hypothetical right now until all the signings happen. So why this seemingly urgent move, several days before the draft or free agency? I wonder if there was another trade that was supposed to happen in tandem with this one, and somehow it didn’t. Usually when those types of things happen, they happen all at once.
The reasons in a vacuum to trade Wally are fair and fine, but the trade itself screams urgency, or piece-of-a-puzzle, and in 24 hours nothing has materialized.
Maybe there’s something up with Wally and they felt the need to beat that revelation, whatever it is, to the market? Idk, it’s unexplainable to me…
Anticipation anxiety is peaking
This Yzerplan bullshit is not working. Look at these contracts for Chiarot, Holl, Copp, Compher… This team is a dumpster fire and the future looks bleak. How long before the kids start requesting trades?
I think we’re still waiting to see if this opens up the can of worms people are suspecting: circumventing Holl’s NTC with waivers and future considerations. The NHLPA would lose their minds.
I’m sure they would not have been nearly as interested in taking on both Walman *and* Holl’s contracts.
People need to relax.
I’m fine with criticizing Yzerman, but so far I don’t have many issues with anything he’s done. Were some of the contracts last year not the best? Absolutely. Did he actively improve the team drastically in about 2 years? Absolutely.
We missed playoffs by one game last year, a huge improvement over the year before.
We got Patty Kane to come to town.
We signed Larkin to basically retire as a Wing.
We could’ve easily won 10+ more games last season had we not had goalie woes and injuries.
This team is moving forward for the better, and this trade is so puzzling to a point that there has to be more to it. We won’t know until Friday (draft) or Monday (free agency). Until then we are all just speculating.
I’m thinking those future considerations involve the draft, and Yzerman doesn’t want to tip his hand about who he’s going for.
Yzerman didn’t just suddenly become brain dead. He knows he could have just waived Walman.
There are only two possibilities:
SJ going to eat one of our contracts.
Yzerman is braindead and needs to be fired.
Hope for one, prepare for the other. This tweet makes me think SJ is going to take one of our contracts via waiver. It’s the only way the move makes sense in light of this information. Yzerman didn’t shop Walman, or even waive him? Just straight up shot him off with a second? That’s fireable asset management.