TODAY: Historic NHL Draft for San Jose Sharks (with Randy Hahn)

it is such an honor to be in the presence of Hollywood’s own Randy Han I just saw inside out too with my family this past weekend and when I heard your voice I won’t give it away at the very end it was just so special that you were a part of such a cool feature film like that so I know it’s happened before but congratulations again well thank you it’s uh you know at this point in my life and career you never think of things like this um falling into your lap which is literally how it happened with the first Inside Out movie and then a very last minute uh call to appear in the second one and uh yeah it’s it’s fabulous I agree it’s a great movie obviously I I have a vested interest but I think it’s really well done and uh exciting to uh be part of it and and the first one won an Oscar um for the best animated feature and you know my people in the business tell me there’s a lot of Oscar buzz for inside out too Brody so uh if it if it repeats and I mean two-time Oscar winner I I might just be able to drop Mike and walk away on the other hand I’m I’m I’m willing to look at scripts so uh I’ll only respect you if you tell me it was done in like five or five or fewer takes how many takes did it did it get you for well actually what it was it was back in 2015 when I did the recording of the audio obviously it’s an animated featur so there’s no video recording um but I probably I went up to uh Pixar in Emeryville and probably did about two or three hours of recording there was some scripted material um there was some ad living of play byplay and they essentially brought me in to be a hockey announcer so here I am I’m tip cast but uh so I I I did a a couple of hours of material and that was that was it and some of that a very brief uh snippet ended up in the uh first Inside Out movie and then about 6 eight weeks ago they contacted me again and said would you like to be an inside out too and I mean I knew it was coming out June 14th in theaters only um and I was shocked that it was so late that they were going to involve me turns out they had enough material from that original recording session to use in the second one so I didn’t even have to go back into the studio I just had to sign off that they were going to use more of my voice and lo and behold they uh invited me to the World premiere in Hollywood at the AL Capitan theater on Hollywood Boulevard my wife and I went there and uh yeah I’m in these two movies and it’s it’s crazy it’s just crazy but a fun thing yeah yeah no so happy for you I mean what a great thing to put on your resume and your your IMDb page I’m sure too that’s right that’s right it might be two it might be two entries and that’s it we’ll see one more non sharks related thing uh game sevens are great like if you don’t have a vested interest in it so happy for the Florida panther and I really feel for the Edmonton Oilers I mean to to make that comeback and then fall short by one goal in the very end let me also point this out maybe as I try and insult your canadianism in the fact that when Montreal won the cup last in ’93 last Canadian team to do it sap Center wasn’t even open yet right can you think about that for a second that’s how long it’s been for Canada yeah it’s crazy and and of course it’s just that a Canadian franchise hasn’t won it but the NHL remains it’s still close to a 60% Canadian player League yeah so lots of Canadian players have won the Stanley Cup since 93 it’s just one of the Canadian franchises hasn’t been able to to celebrate that it’s really weird uh it’s an aberration um let’s see there’s I mean technically Ottawa has won a Stanley Cup but it was way back uh in I think the 1920s or something like that so essentially the the Winnipeg Jets the Ottawa Senators and the Vancouver Canucks have never really won um a modern day Stanley Cup the kanaks never uh along with Buffalo they went into the NHL in 1970 and neither of those franchises has won a Stanley Cup and I think it’s probably about eight or nine teams in the league now including the sharks that haven’t won a cup but yeah it’s just a it’s a strange thing when you think of all those years and all the team and and this Oiler team was got to game seven and the last Oiler team to make a run at the cup got to game seven against Brett hedin’s Carolina Hurricanes and lost in that one but uh yeah amazing that Montreal Toronto haven’t been able to do it even Calgary uh you know they won a cup but that was uh before that 93 cup the Montreal last one well the Leafs are cursed and we’ll save that story for a different time but let’s get on to the Sharks and the number one pick for the first time in franchise history they’ve had the second pick three times they’ve had the third pick a couple times and the fourth pick only once last year but I think the magnitude for me is kind of sinking in and being realized now that this is not like just winning a big game this is not like winning a playoff series having the number one first pick overall and what let’s be honest mlin celebrini could bring to the franchise for years and potentially decades like this is a long-term reward how do you see just kind of this opportunity that the the team has never had before well it is huge and uh it is very needed at this time yeah as you know being so close to the Sharks uh hosting all those nights when uh we signed off after a loss and and many nights a a very disappointing loss last season uh the the franchise the organization the hockey culture in the Bay Area needed a a boost and this is a huge boost uh we don’t know what mcklin celini is going to become uh you you hear from professional Scouts who have been in the business a long time and even they vary in their opinion is he generational like uh it’s claimed Connor Bard is going to be um that’s that’s not a word you hear with Macklin celebrini but who knows uh you know the draft is is such it’s still such a crapshoot uh when when Macklin first came on to the radar uh this season in college hockey for sharks fans he was 17 I mean he just turned 18 a we and a half ago yeah I mean think about yourself at 18 how much of your act you had together uh and all of us I think to varying degrees can say you know we were a long way from being mature and and and knowing what we wanted to do and being our best at what we could do so uh mlin celebrini is going to go through some of those things too because he’s an 18-year-old however uh he’s been an elite hockey player for some time now and his family background uh with his father Rick working for the Warriors suggests that they’ve been helping him prepare for this for quite some time so he comes in with a certainly a different level of maturity maybe than your average 18-year-old kid coming out of high school uh heading into college or or Junior College so um but again we have to um temper our expect expect but it’s so hard to do because he is first overall uh sharks fans are so excited about it but you know it there’s probably going to be a time early in the season when when everybody’s going to have to tap the breaks a little bit here because there are going to be growing pains it’s inevitable and even as we saw with Connor Bard last year in Chicago for for all his greatness and he he ends up winning the cder as the NHL’s rookie of the year the Blackhawks weren’t much better no he ended up getting hurt and and maybe wasn’t as physically developed and prepared to be in the NHL then he might have been if he waited another year but you know he had outgrown the uh level of hockey he was playing in junior as Macklin seems to have in uh in division one NCAA hockey at bu so but he he’s not going to be a fully developed man yet at 18 so these are all things that are going to go into to the process of mlin celini uh having hopefully a big hand in in pulling the Sharks out of the abyss and back into the top eight teams uh in the Western Conference which would mean uh back into the playoffs you know what I like about the pick is who it is makes it easy on the Sharks there’s not a turn left and a turn right there’s not two choices here there’s no fork in the road the consensus is anybody who would have got the opportunity to pick first overall was going to pick mlin celebrini and the Sharks had what 25% chance or so of getting the number one pick they’ve got it my point is this is a low maintenance pick for Mike Greer nobody’s going to go back five years down the road and question oh why did you take Macklin celebrini this actually makes it great for the Sharks I think it makes it easy for the Sharks painfree almost well I yeah for that pick for sure the pain happened this past season it was extremely painful from top of the organization right down to the bottom of the organization you know it I know it the fans felt it uh it was it was horrible and it was so sad to see an empty rink on those Tuesday nights against an Eastern Conference opponent that shall remain nameless that maybe doesn’t have the the cache of some of the other teams that come into town and to see so many empty seats and and remember when you couldn’t get a ticket to a regular season game in San Jose because of the demand let alone playoffs so uh all that that pain happen uh and you’re right this is not a a tough decision uh it would be much tougher if there was a consensus number two pick overall and there isn’t right so so that that changes the uh the situation considerably at least going in but then again you know you say five years from now well five years from now who knows someone who was drafted in the middle of the first round may have emerged as the best player from the draft I hope not unless the Sharks pick that player 14th overall is the next Sharks pick right right but you you you never know and and if you know that you often see these uh Publications or you know NHL Network radio and they they do a redraft of a draft from five or 10 years ago and and guys that went sometimes in the second round would have been redrafted high into the first round based on their performance so uh you know it’s there’s so much that uh remains to be seen but boy it sure is exciting going in and uh amazing that the Sharks haven’t ever had the first overall pick and I’m sure you’ve enlightened uh sharks fans in the past that they really probably should have had the first overall pick in the first ever draft because that was the tradition in the NHL back in those days in that 1991 Draft when the Sharks were drafting for the first time they should have had the number one pick and they should have had Eric Lindros but there was an end around by the league because Lindros was considered that generational player who was going to uh change and transform whatever team took him uh that the Sharks ended up picking second and taking Pat balloon and and received some other considerations in exchange which was that that cross-pollination draft with the Minnesota northstars to to help stock them a little bit and make them better but uh yeah it’s it’s a it’s a phenomenal um time and it’s a special time there will be no drama we all know who they’re going to pick but it’ll still be kind of a a crowning moment a coronation if you will when uh when that uh when Macklin’s name is announced by Gary bman on the stage in Las Vegas yeah and to your point that’s why sharks fans should always be a little bit bitter towards Seattle and Las Vegas and how they got to do the whole expansion draft instead of hey take eight players off the North stars on the second pick and be happy with that anyway I digress um to your point earlier though we should not minimize the other early picks for the sharks in this draft they actually have four of the first 42 total picks I think it’s 1 14 33 and then 42 the point is like good players can happen still for the Sharks outside of Macklin celebrini we become very focused on the number one overall pick but as we know we’ve watched sharks in the past uh they don’t have to be a first overall pick or even a first round pick to be a very successful player for the team he they don’t even have to be drafted look at what Dan Bole turned into great Point Stanley Cup champion and you know had a very lucrative career uh financially for himself and was never drafted those are c those are certainly the outliers uh you know I I I think that the sharks have proven in the past that some valuable players have come come to them Beyond round two but it’s rare and you know the statistic is very low of players after the second round that end up playing you know more than 200 games in the NHL it’s a very low percentage so you’ve got to do your work in the early rounds and and make the wise picks but then at the same time uh you have to hope you can get lucky later on down the line with some of those other picks and and and maybe maybe they can play for you uh professionally and hopefully at the NHL level but you know there’s an old saying and it goes back as long as I’ve been working in the NHL if you get one player out of every draft who ends up being a regular NHL for NHL for you a career NHL then you’ve done a good job so it just shows you how difficult it is to find players well speaking of earlier draft picks let’s go to last year Will Smith has now signed with the shark so he’ll play somewhere professionally this year uh does the Smith and celebrini combo for you does it feel like it would be much sweeter if it were a package deal is it easier on both of them if they both decide to come play for San Jose next next year and I mean we’re not Mike Greer we’re not the front office but how would you go about making the decision of when’s the right time to do this what’s best for the individuals what’s best for the team well I think first the the uh and especially in today’s culture with today’s player and the mindset and and the the new found leverage that that players in Pro Sport Sports have now that maybe 20 years ago when owners ship and coaches and GMS you know ruled with the iron fist that that’s pivoted and and now players and their agents have a lot more say in what goes on for them we saw that with gutter gotier who uh was drafted by Philadelphia and said I don’t want to play for you and now he’s with the Anaheim Ducks in the old days that’s just wouldn’t happened they would said you don’t want to play for us tough you sit sit and don’t play and don’t get paid that’s that doesn’t happen anymore I think you start with what the player wants and that an extension of that is what his his family wants um his representation what they think is best for him you know there’s a lot of considerations we talked about some of them physical ability to survive in the jungle that is the NHL uh and especially on a team that is going to you know lose more games than it’s going to win and I’m I’m hoping I’m wrong about this coming season but let’s be honest the Sharks were 32nd that’s why they’re getting to pick mlin celini and even in the west they were 16th so in order to be a playoff team they’re going to have to find a way this coming season to be better than eight other teams that I find that a stretch but but we’ll see um you know so so number one I I think it’s up to the player and then as an organization you have to look at at where you are right now in being able to I don’t want to say Protect these young players but certainly insulate them uh with some veteran talent and we’ve seen Mike Greer make some moves in that direction uh you know with re crying uh re acquiring Barkley goodro and picking up Ty Dandrea who’s not a veteran he’s 24 uh but he’s played in the league for a bit and uh and then um Walman the defenseman coming over from the Red Wings with some NHL experience so they’re adding NHL talent and I certainly expect more of that to happen once free agency starts on July 1st as the sharks um you know look to fill out their roster and first get to the salary floor uh never mind the ceiling um but you know a lot we I think we we’ll have to do with that as well but let’s also be honest from a marketing standpoint uh the business side bring on Macklin bring on will you know we we want to create a buzz we want to create excitement and uh and that’s that’s a factor for that half of the business um and general managers don’t ignore that but but I usually find they’re not driven by that I think you have to do what’s best for the hockey team for uh the player first and the hockey team after that and um and you know what the guys have to make the team out of Camp yeah and Ryan wowski just not just going to stamp their passports and say come on through you’re in the NHL that’s not the right signal to send to other players in your organization say with the Barracuda or or other draft picks Beyond who go like well wait a minute I I was a high draft pick how come I’m not automatically in the NHL you have to earn your spot and and that’s about helping to create a culture uh which is also very important to all of this as well I’m glad you brought up Ryan wars’s name he’s next on my list here of things to talk about and with the number one draft pick and so many other things going on for the organization in a good way it’s like his hiring is almost being overshadowed by everything else but it is an important move it is a nice direction to understand where this team is at where they’re going I don’t think anybody had bad things to say about David Quinn it was just time for a change time to kind of put a a Fresh coat of paint on um how do you see the promotion from within because for Ryan rovski if I’m correct this is the third time in his career he’s been the assistant coach of a pro team now turned into their head coach it is rare uh you more often see this scenario um when a head coach is fired midseason partway through a season right an assistant is elevated into an interim role and then if it goes well like like Jim Hiller in in Los Angeles gets the head coaching job after the of the the search is completed so this one’s a little different you know you finish as the assistant coach then there’s a change then your name goes into the Hat along with the other candidates and there’s been rumors about who all those candidates were but you know we can probably come up with a fairly uh decent list and and be right on a lot of them as people who were interested or talk to about it Drew Drew was one of them we we I started that rumor yeah that did not happen but uh you know I I think think that Ryan has that experience of that transition um starting in the East Coast Hockey League in in uh South Carolina of all places um which has turned into a little bit of an NHL head coaching Factory now with Spencer carbury and and uh Ryan and Jared bnar Colorado all coming through that franchise um as head coaches as wosi did and then he you know went on to the American League cut his teeth as an assistant there head coach in the American League wins a championship there uh in Chicago now from assistant to head coach in the NHL so um I I think that’s usually that transition can be a delicate dance for a coach because the assistant tends to be a little bit of a go between from the players to the head coach he you know he has that good relationship with the guys because he’s not the disciplinarian he doesn’t hand out the ice time and then he also has the uh relationship with his head coach the boss the head coach’s relationship with the players is a little different because he has the hammer of of ice time and uh you know can demand uh you know he has expectations that have to be met or players aren’t going to get to play uh so Ryan’s gone through that a few times now and and I think that’s a good thing because he knows the difference and there has to be a difference you don’t change who you are at least you shouldn’t um because the players will see through that in a minute because they already know who you are they know your personality but the way you go about your business as a head coach versus an assistant is different and Ryan knows that and he I’m sure has given a lot of thought to that and I don’t think it’s going to be an issue and I think it’s a great asset for him having gone through what he’s gone through on the way up yeah I was told by people within the organization that one of the main reasons he got the job is because of the endorsements that the current players to your point gave him when they were asked about well what would you like to see in our new head coach and so that’s good he’s got their connection already he’s got that experience I love the emotion he displayed at the press conference I think too often these days if you brought in somebody who’s been around the block in the NHL just another job no big deal and I mean he called it the tank you know what I mean like and no offense to David Quinn but when he came in he called it the sap Arena and I’m like no that’s in that’s in Germany anyway anyway but warski already gets it here’s here’s like my only concern for him and it’s where the team is at really has nothing to do with him they are still a project right now you go from being a project in the NHL to being a good team at some point to eventually being a great team contending for playoffs every year contending for the Stanley Cup and a lot of times it takes multiple coaches to go from being that project to the good team to the great team how do you see it for him that hopefully he gets the opportunity he can help them make strides I think he’s got to develop players but if they actually turn a corner under his watch and start winning some games and even flirt with the playoffs I think that’s enough to to keep him going you know what I’m saying yeah I number one it’s his first NHL head coaching job so um of course there are going to be unique challenges when you are hired as a head coach and you know but it’s his first job so there’s a level of excitement for him there um and and of course there’s going to be pitfalls which will some of which we can you know anticipate now and then some of which will reveal themselves throughout um next season and Beyond but uh I think he’s I I just think he a good fit right now and has the opportunity to grow into being a great fit down the line um coming from one of the old guys now in my business um it’s refreshing um to have a young man uh like Ryan youngest head coach in the NHL 37 I think he is 36 yeah 36 um you know let’s be honest uh there’s a couple of veteran players um on the Sharks blast and could sure come to mind of you know guys well into their 30s who are on the you know the backside of their career for sure um but within you know three or less years this is going to be an extremely young team yeah yeah and because it’s the only way really in our league to to get better for the long term is to build you know draft and develop acquire and develop and that means you’re going to have young players and for a young coach to grow together with a young group group that hopefully becomes a young core uh in a few years that’s exciting to me that had to be exciting to Mike Greer um and I’m sure it’s very exciting to Ryan wosi to have this opportunity to to relate to some players that aren’t that much younger than him compared to somebody like me I mean I could be I could be William eckland’s grandfather I’m I’m not I’m not suggesting that’s possible but um but it is mathematically and and you know there’s a Detachment the longer I’ve been in this business the harder it is to stay in tune with the new players because they’re so much younger than you they’re younger than my own Sons this is the first time I’ll be covering a Sharks coach Who is younger than me and in this case significantly younger than me vlasic’s older than warsofsky Kure is a little bit younger but again warski will be the youngest head coach in the NHL starting next season I look forward to a tier point for him and I hope he can just he can go through those phases of being a project coach to being a good team coach to being the coach of a great team um just two more things real quick free agency starts on Canada Day July 1st as it always does and I think that’s another thing for the Sharks you know this is the first time in a long time that they will have a little bit more money to play with salary cap wise what would you surround this team with if you do know that they’re going to go into the year with a certain young core and kind of hope to give them some experience what are the important pieces that you want to surround them with what would they be after in the free agent Market boy the number one thing that sticks out to me is character people MH you know before you before you even break down their game um you know you want to bring good character people in here um you know within this difficult time of the last four or five years um it’s been a challenge and it’s been a challenge to keep everybody uh emotionally um connected and to to build a team concept and we saw how important the team concept was for the Florida Panthers uh you know maybe one of the ultimate teams the the kind of things Mark Messier was saying about them after they won game seven and if anybody knows about a good team it’s it’s Mark Messier and good teams start with good people that hold one another accountable uh and I and I think you put that very high up on the list along with their abilities uh I don’t see Mike G I think he’s alluded to this I don’t think we should expect to see him trying to hit a grand slam and and signing somebody to a a seven-year deal uh a free agent deal which is the maximum you can sign a player to unless he’s your own free agent right which was the case when the Sharks gave hurdled an 8year deal so you know if you want to go out and sign Sam Reinhardt you know you got to sign him for seven years and you got to back up the brink truck because you know after the season he had scoring the winning goal in the cup final game he’s going to get paid big time I don’t think the sharks are in a position at this point to to do that um unless something presents itself that’s that you just can’t turn down but they’ve just gotten themselves out from under some Financial situations that that they felt were going to be a burden going forward and W weren’t going to fit into their plan to to rebuild this franchise so I just don’t see Greer going out and doing that but I I I want to see some I and I I think we’re seeing a little bit already with with a guy like goodro and I don’t mean Fighters but I mean toughness and and players that are going to make opponents accountable so that when the hockey game is over even if the Sharks lost the other team will have had to play a hard game in order to get the the two points that night and and that probably didn’t happen enough last season so I think look for for some of those players um obviously the sharks can use Talent at every position but I think defense is an area as well you probably want to beef up a little bit uh it looks like they’re not going to qualify kayin Addison uh you know who they uh picked up last year in a trade so there’s going to be some opportunities there Beyond Jake wman uh to uh pick up spots on defense but um you know no no Grand Slam in free agency but let’s just see see some some good you know RBI doubles maybe a a triple thrown in there to put it back into your uh Oakland A’s baseball vacular I’m trying to get away from baseball season right now Hunter come on I’m in hockey mode here Midsummer uh the Hockey Hall of Fame has its next class of inductees sheay Weber the Magic Man Pavo datsuk and Jeremy ronic congratulations obviously to Jr so I’ll say this is kind of a double-edged edged sword yeah happy for Jr the former shark played for a bunch of teams but Patrick Marlo in his first opportunity first year of eligibility is not a Hall of Famer and I won’t even say Jr I’ll say wait Shay Weber is uh I know Patti will eventually get there maybe it’ll just be even sweeter that he and jumbo get in in the same year what do you think yeah um I I just don’t uh I don’t know and I’m just trying to be fair here and and looking at Patrick’s career it just honestly and and of course he’s Mr San Jose Shark and he means so much to our organization and to sharks fans but um I I don’t think he had a first ballot Hall of Fame career and and I know he has the the longevity record of uh most games played and that’s that is huge right but he he didn’t win an individual award uh like a scoring Championship or a heart trophy as an MVP or a rookie of the year and that and that factors in uh he didn’t want a cup of course um and and I think the fact that while he played on some very good sharks teams he shared the spotlight with Joe Thorton at times or whether it was TAMU salani at other times uh and and so on so he wasn’t the man uh during those years when the Sharks were were competing for Stanley Cups uh so all those things go into the voting and the fact that he played most of his career on the west coast in and and I don’t consider the Sharks to be a small Market team because we’re the only team in the Bay Area but a lot of people in the hockey world especially out east and in the Southeast and places like that look at San Jose that way they look at San Jose maybe the way they would look at Columbus in the Eastern Conference as being a smaller Market even though I I I don’t agree with that so I think all those factors together uh even though he played in Toronto and and was you know seen before some very influential and numerous media people on the East Coast it it wasn’t enough to put them over the top to be a bid Hall of Famer but I agree with you I think he he will go into the Hall of Fame um I think Mark Mark Edward blassic will go into the Hall of Fame will he be a first ballot Hall of Famer I don’t think so but you look at the rest of his body of work at what he’s done and and I think a day will come when Mark Edward blassic will go into the Hall of Fame as well but I think Patty will get his day uh and uh in the meantime he can he can bask in the Afterglow of knowing he’s in the San Jose Sports Hall of Fame and the Bay Area Sports Hall of Fame he’ll get them all eventually uh just like you honor uh I appreciate your time oh can we end it with desert dogs yeah somebody somebody suggested that uh that when we’re playing the Utah Hockey Club which I guess they’re going to be that seeing how they don’t have a nickname that we should call them the salty dogs so we we might have to do a a segment on pre game live as to what what honorary nickname we’re going to give the uh the Salt Lake Hockey Club for the season so that the great tradition uh as I understand it not that I would ever partake because I’m on the air at the time of the desert dog drinking game uh can now continue uh in in some other fashion with a new nickname we’ll have to work on that Sal dog be the winner people on this channel know I I’ve done a lot of coverage of the Utah team and of the the ABS now of the coyotes people don’t like Alex Millo he Alex Millo single-handedly responsible for ruining our drinking game I mean if he’s ruined enough and then he ruins a drinking game on top of that so not only that he’s now stepped away from the coyotes abandon them yeah he’s taking the minor league team out of Tucson and moving it to Reno now that’s not that’s not official but that is that is absolutely what he’s going to do because he’s building a new Arena up there what do you think that’s for unbelievable that that the uh that this the great state of Arizona will go presumably from having two pro teams To None uh through one gentleman’s single-handed actions but U at least he’s not in the NHL anymore well speaking of losing teams I’m going to go back to my misery in that situation uh Randy I really appreciate you joining me uh it’s been too long obviously since we last heard you on a call but we look forward to that this season with a lot of new changes and uh kind of a fresh feeling so get your rest in and looking forward to the season already thanks and all you folks out there inside out too in theaters only now

NOTE: This was recorded before the Sharks traded up to pick 11th in the first round ⚠️

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Topics:
0:00 Randy Hahn in INSIDE OUT 2!
2:54 How about that Stanley Cup?
4:58 Sharks No. 1 pick, can it change franchise?
8:44 This pick is low-maintenance for Sharks
12:33 The OTHER early Sharks picks could be HUGE too
14:20 Will Smith and Macklin Celebrini… together?
18:07 Ryan Warsofsky as Sharks Head Coach
21:30 Concern for what faces Warsofsky
25:06 What should we expect with Sharks free agents?
28:54 Patrick Marleau snubbed by Hall of Fame?

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12 comments
  1. Tell Randy that Mike in Vantaa, Finland says hello. I might get up at 2am to watch the draft. It’s going to be exciting, as a Sharks fan since 1993.

  2. Appreciate you both! Exciting day! Brodie is there any chance to ever interview Nabokov? He’s my favorite player since I was child even though I didn’t play goalie. Miss him in net 😢

  3. Berkley Catton at 11 to play on the wing for Smith or Ceebrini is too enticing. If he is there at 11, it would really bother me to pass him up unless someone like a Dickenson is there

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