Why Vancouver Canucks Fans Hate This All-time Great….

Why Vancouver Canucks Fans Hate This All-time Great….

Mark Douglas moose Messier a legendary forward known for his talent toughness and profound respect in the hockey World gracing the game for an astonishing 25 Seasons revered as one of the greatest players in the sports history messier’s regular season records are nothing short of amazing all time he ranks third in points with 1887 ninth in goals with 694 he ranks third in a assists with 1,193 and third in games played with 1756 but his Playoff stats are even more a inspiring ranking second all time in goals with 109 assists with 186 and points with 259 and fourth in games played with 236 messier’s accolades are ATT Testament to his dominance and skill on the ice he captured the hard trophy as the NHL’s most valuable player twice once with the Oilers in 1990 and again with the Rangers in 1992 with six Stanley Cups to his name and a k Smite trophy as playoff MVP in 1984 his legacy is almost unmatched Beyond his individual Brilliance Messier is celebrated as arguably the greatest leader the sport has ever seen I mean the NHL award given annually to the player who best exemplifies leadership is literally called The Mark Messier leadership award this is what most people already know about Mark Messier however today boys I want to talk about why Mark Messier is hated by a certain fan base most people forget but during messier’s 3 years with the Vancouver Canucks he did the most to make himself hated forever within the organization so why exactly is he so despised and why did the organization and its fans want to forget the Messier era in Vancouver well let’s start at the beginning Mark Messier was born the third of four children to Douglas and Mary Jane Messier his father Douglas was also a professional hockey player who had an extensive career in Canada the United States and overseas Mark also had an older brother Paul who was born in 1958 in Nottingham England while Douglas was playing for the Nottingham Panthers of the British National Hockey League side note that is a sick logo the family later returned to Canada where Douglas played primarily in the Western Hockey League from 1960 until 1969 suiting up for teams like the Edmonton flyers and the Portland buckaroos Mark Messier was born on January 18th 1961 in Edmonton Alberta not long after the Messier family would relocate to Portland Oregon Mark began playing hockey with the Portland Amateur Hockey Association following in the footsteps of his father Mark developed a deep passion for hockey when Mark was a kid he would spend countless hours on the ice or playing street hockey or just owning his skills by shooting a ball against the wall and when the family eventually moved back to Edmonton a 7-year-old Mark practiced with his 10-year-old Brother Paul’s novice team and quickly established himself as one of the best players on the ice and in 1976 at just the age of 15 Mark began his hockey Journey with the spruce grove Mets of the Alberta Jr Hockey League The Following season season he would play for the St Albert Saints during his 2year stint in the ajhl Messier showcased his talent by recording a total of 140 points in 111 games it was in the ajhl where Messier quickly emerged as a leader both on and off the ice often addressing his Saints teammates in the locker room before his father who was actually the coach gave his pregame speeches after his stint with the Saints Messier joined the Portland Winterhawks for the 1978 Western Hockey League playoffs a move that made him ineligible to play hockey at the postsecondary level Mark’s father Douglas had always encouraged him to avoid the Canadian major Junior Hockey system for this reason valuing education highly Douglas himself had played hockey at the University of North Dakota in 1959 attended the University of Alberta and earned a master’s degree in education from the University of Portland while playing for the buckaroos despite his father’s advice Mar Mark was determined to pursue a junior a hockey career even if it meant sacrificing a University admission unlike his brother Paul who went on to play hockey at the University of Denver and later appeared in nine NHL games for the Colorado Rockies Mark had hopes of turning pro and in 1979 at just the age of 17 he would do just that he played for the Indianapolis Racers and the Cincinnati Stingers in the World Hockey Association marking the beginning of his Pro Hockey journey and following his year in the wh Mark Messier would be drafted by his hometown Edmonton Oilers 48th overall funny side note here but if Cincinnati had been allowed to merge into the NHL along with the Edmonton Oilers New England Whalers renamed Hartford Whalers the Quebec nordiques and Winnipeg Jets the start of this video would look a lot different and we might just be talking about the greatest Cincinnati Stinger of all time initially Messier was known for his rough play in frequent fights but Mark Messier quickly emerged as the emotional leader for Edmonton he also became a phenomenal two-way player excelling in both defensive and offensive zones his size strength and determination established early in his career would help set the tone for his legendary tenure in the [Music] NHL in his first year with oil country the 19-year-old m sea started his career on the wing putting up a respectable 12 goals and 33 points in 75 games he would also get his first taste of playoff hockey recording three points in three games as the young Oilers team was unfortunately swept by the Philadelphia Flyers the following year is when the offense really started to show up for mess posting up 63 points in 72 games as well as 7 points in nine playoff games as Edmonton unfortunately lost the Islanders juggernauts in the quarterfinals now the offense picked up in year two but by messier’s third year he would swiftly develop into the game’s Premier power forward 82 was a big year for Messier he established himself as one of the League’s best players scoring 50 goals contributing significantly to the Oilers quick skating high-powered offense forming unreal chemistry with his Hall of Fame linemate Glenn Anderson and of course Messier was a massive part of the Oilers team that came just four wins shy of collecting the franchise’s first Stanley Cup in 1983 as they would come up short yet again to those damn Islanders nevertheless Mark recorded 15 goals in 15 playoff games on Edmonton’s run to the finals and early on we would see just how clutch Messier was in those big moments during the 1984 season Messier transitioned to the center position foring the League’s greatest one-w combination up the Middle with Wayne Gretzky Messier took another massive leap proving he was even more effective as a centerman recording 101 points for his second consecutive 100 plus Point Season the dynamic duo of Messier and Gretzky down the middle Curry on the wing Glenn Anderson Kenny lindman Paul coffee on the back end casually putting up 40 goals and 126 points as a defenseman simply made this team Unstoppable and they only lost four times throughout the entire postseason and this time they finally dethroned the Islanders Dynasty to capture the organization’s first ever Stanley Cup with Messier perhaps being the biggest part of that team as he earned the K Smite trophy as the playoff MVP for his clutch play recording 26 points in those 19 games and with most of these young Oilers and in their prime years things were about to get unfair in 1985 the Oilers improved on last year’s playoff run by only losing three times sweeping the Kings and jets overcoming the Blackhawks in six games and breezing past Mike Keenan’s Philadelphia Flyers in five games to secure their second straight Stanley Cup Mark Messier scored 12 goals and contributed 13 assists amassing 25 points in 18 playoff games it’s really really hard to believe this team was actually real and not just some kids Hockey Ultimate Team but in 1986 the dynasty was put on pause the Edmonton Oilers would lose in heartbreaking fashion to Steve Smith and the Calgary Flames in game seven of the old Smite division finals heading into the 1987 season Messi would famously say to the media unless we win the Stanley Cup this season will be another failure showcasing his remarkable leadership Messi is embodied that New York Yankees George Stein brunning mentality a trait shared by all Champions Messier made sure he would help the team rebound putting up 107 points during the regular season and once again coming up clutching the playoffs scoring 12 goals and adding 16 assists for a total of 28 points in 21 playoff games and the 87 season was not another failure the Oilers defeated the kings in five games swept the Jets and defeated the Red Wings in 5 and after a full seven games they overcame the Philadelphia Flyers to clinch the Stanley Cup in 1988 the Oilers officially became one of sports greatest dynasties and there’s no other way to put this they had the greatest Stanley Cup run of all time losing just two games the entire postseason winning their fourth Stanley Cup Messier would score 11 goals and had 23 assists for 34 points in 19 playoff games in 1989 following the most shocking trade in NHL history that saw Wayne grety leave Edmonton for Los Angeles it was almost a no-brainer for Mark Messier to assume the Oilers captaincy understandably many people now thought that without the greatest player of all time the Oilers were now headed for a steady decline but Messier was determined to prove that he and the team could succeed without the great one despite a setback in 1989 where the Oilers lost to Gretzky’s kings in the Smite division semifinals Messier led the team to a remarkable rebound the following year 1990 was messier’s year he recorded a career high 129 points and 84 assists That season in the playoffs he co-led in points with teammate Craig Simpson both tallying 31 he was a man on a mission his outstanding play earned him the heart trophy as the NHL’s Most Valuable Player and the Lester B Pier award now the Ted Lindsay Award as the most valuable player as voted on by the NHL players Association and to top it all off the Oilers clinched their fifth Stanley Cup in seven years this season really proved that Mark Messier was a legend in his own right but we’re only getting started 10 years into messier’s career he had already won that final game of the season five times putting up a 50% success rate in Stanley Cup opportunities which is truly remarkable however in 1991 the Oilers unfortunately lost in the Conference Finals to the Minnesota North Stars now by the beginning of the 1992 season nearly all the key players who defined the Oilers dynasty of the80s had departed Paul coffee was the first one to go followed a year later by the sale of Wayne Gretzky shortly after winning the 1990 Stanley Cup Yari Curry spent a year in Europe before joining Gretzky in LA Grant fear and Glenn Anderson were traded to Toronto and the final blow would come just before the start of the season when Mark Messier also requested a trade following the 1991 season Messier expressed frustration with the team after they allowed Adam Graves to leave mess criticized management for its reluctance to retain top players feeling that the team no longer had a commitment to winning as a result during the 1991 Canada Cup he requested a trade his request Quest was granted on October 4th 1991 when Messier was traded to the New York Rangers in exchange for Bernie Nichols Luby de brusk and Steven Rice this Rangers team was desperate for messier’s leadership both on and off the ice and in the locker room and after just one game with the team the Rangers named him Captain the presence and winning culture Messier brought inspired a Rangers team who hadn’t won a Stanley Cup in over 50 years to immediately become Stanley Cup contenders the team finished the regular season in first place overall but were upset in the Patrick division finals by the Pittsburgh Penguins the eventual Stanley Cup champions messier’s play in ’92 earned him another heart trophy that year making him the second player in NHL history to win with two different teams Messier also became the first player in NHL history to win the Lester B Pearson Award with two different teams in 1993 it was busy as usual for Messier however the Rangers would surprisingly miss the playoffs entirely marking the first time in his entire career Messier wouldn’t be playing playoff hockey with the fan base and front office starting to worry as the Rangers long Stanley Cup drout would continue many changes would be coming in the off season the Rangers would famously hire head coach Mike Keenan and they would orchestrate a series of key moves throughout the year many of those key moves involved reuniting Messi with former teammates including Essa tienan who arrived just before the 93 deadline by the 94 deadline they bolstered their roster further with Glenn Anderson Craig McTavish and Stefan matau determined to bounce back the team rallied behind Messier who tallied 84 points in 71 games their efforts culminated in a president’s trophy first place finish in one of the most historical playoff runs messier’s Rangers blitzed through the Islanders and four games and dispatched the Washington Capitals in five setting the stage for an epic Clash with the cross river Rivals the New Jersey Devils this series would become the stuff of Legend a pinnacle of playoff drama as the Rangers were down three games to two facing elimination in a moment aen to Conor McGregor predicting his knockout round against Jose Aldo Joe neth’s iconic Super Bowl guarantee and Babe Ruth’s called shot in the 19 1932 World Series Mark Messier boldly guaranteed a Rangers victory in game six to a feverish New York media true to his word Messier delivered an unforgettable performance scoring a natural hattrick in the third period to orchestrate a stunning 42 comeback win against the Devils sending the series back to New York for decisive seventh game [Music] and in game seven you all know the rest in a double overtime Thriller Stefan matau scored his iconic rap round goal against Marty broer sealing the Rangers path to the Stanley Cup finals in Unforgettable fashion now just like in 1990 Messier was looking to lead another team to Stanley Cup Glory the Vancouver Canucks were now the only obstacle between Mark Messier the Rangers and the end of their 54e Stanley Cup drought [Music] let [Music] n for the powerl play Zu off and Le Lun turn puts it in front Miss by grav Lun back iner save and it’s score mesier it’s a power play goal the waiting is over the New York Rangers of the Stan Cup champions and this one will last the lifetime Mark Messier had done it he brought a Stanley Cup back to New York for the first time in 54 years he now cemented his place in Rangers history with his legendary game-winning goal in the seventh game throughout the postseason Messi tallied 12 goals including four four game winners and added 18 assists for a total of 30 points in 23 games Messier also achieved the unprecedented feat of captaining two different teams to the Stanley Cup [Music] [Music] after three more productive Seasons with the Rangers Messier entered free agency widely regarded as one of the most revered and respected players in NHL history despite being 36 years old at this point he showed no signs of slowing down and he remained a highly sought after free agent after Feeling undervalued by what the Rangers were offering Messier decided to part ways with yet another team Messier was now embarking on a new chapter in his story career with hopes of now taking seing a third team to the promised land and that team would be the Vancouver Canucks Messier would ink a three-year $20 million deal his arrival on July 28th 1997 sparked optimism across Vancouver with fans and media envisioning Stanley Cup success the Keen to his triumphs in New York City however that dream never materialized instead of leading the Canucks into contention the team spiraled downward fast leading to messier’s tenure in Vancouver being widely regarded as one of the darkest periods in kak’s history prior to signing with the Canucks Messier was already pretty disliked by the Vancouver Canucks fan base just one year earlier the organization had pursued Wayne Gretzky and Gretzky was very interested in playing for Vancouver and even flew down to meet with Pat Quinn and the team however a very dumb 3:00 a.m. ultimatum from the Canucks management ultimately derailed the deal so the Canucks management pretty much called Gretzky at 3:00 a.m. and they demanded that he agreed to a deal on the spot where the offer would be off the table this ultimatum pissed off Gretzky and he ended up signing with New York instead as a result the Canucks turned to Messier the following year possibly to make up for the fact that they just missed out on signing the great one so it didn’t help Messier get off to a great start when some fans viewed this signing as a consolation prize additionally memories of an incident in 1984 lingered during a game against Vancouver Messier them with the dominant Oilers delivered a vicious Tomahawk slash to the head of Thomas gradine one of the most beloved Vancouver Canucks at the time concussing him as a result and of course the fans still haven’t forgotten about the 1994 Stanley Cup Final the Canucks had one of the greatest Underdog runs in hockey that would ultimately come to an end with Mark Messier scoring the decisive goal leaving Vancouver fans heartbroken not only that but in game six Messier would cross check Canuck’s Captain Trevor Lyndon while he was already down after taking a hit now you can’t actually see this play but the announcer picks up on it and so does the [Music] crowd the bench Lyon’s been injured now he’s hit again by Messi going to the bench sea hit lynon when he was down on his knees the play is running down it could get a bit ugly here in the late stages despite this history as often happens in sports sentiments can change when a once disliked player joins your team especially when that player is a decorated winner like Messier poised to potentially bring a championship to Vancouver in the 1997 offseason Messier signed his now Infamous three-year $20 million deal with Canucks with fourth and fifth year options as Messier would famously write out his own contract proposal and the Clauses within it the contract stated in addition to the 6 million Messier would receive each year 3 million in annual salary 2 million in bonuses and 1 million in promotional payments he was guaranteed several perks these included Phantom stock in the organization allowing him to successfully sue the Canucks in 2012 but we’ll we’ll get to that later a postc career moving allowance and a three bedroom apartment in the city with the Canucks covering his rent up to 3 Grand a month although 3,000 a month might not seem like much now as it barely gets you a decent two-bedroom apartment in Vancouver in 97 it was enough to rent a downtown condo the contract also acknowledged that Messi wouldn’t even be living in this apartment the contract stated that the player will reside in the state of Washington further feeding into the notion that Messier never fully embraced the city additionally he never really fully connected with his teammates as the contract also guaranteed him a single room on the road though In fairness many vets request this but most notably messier’s contract promised him Wayne Mackey’s number 11 a number that was unofficially retired by the Canucks organization after macki sadly passed away in 1974 for brain cancer finally the contract stipulated the bonuses paid to Messier for playoff success which would have totaled an extra $1 million if the team won the Stanley Cup during its 10 years however as there was no playoff success the Canuck saved some money there before he even played a game his reputation among kuu fans had already started to plummet and it would only continue to decline as I mentioned upon joining the Canucks he insisted on wearing number 11 a jersey number that was retired in honor of Wayne Mackey the decision sparked outrage among the Mackey family and Canucks fans alike but the Uproar intensified when it became clear that the Macky family had not been given the opportunity need to weigh in they found out Wayne’s number 11 was being used like everyone else during messier’s first press conference with the team just a bad look overall for the organization and Messier for not even acknowledging Wayne Mackey or his family and messier’s reputation in Vancouver would just continue to tank when fans would learn that Messier would assume the captaincy a position held dearly by Trevor Lyon arguably the most beloved figure in Canuck’s history as if taking lyndon’s cup and sheap shotting him in the back of the head just 3 years earlier wasn’t enough Messier had now taken his SE although Lynden publicly stated that he voluntarily relinquished the captaincy fans were understandably disheartened by this despite these contentious Beginnings to say the least time has a way of healing wounds had Messier been a good leader had he been able to instill the winning culture he was renowned for throughout his career and fostered team success in Vancouver perhaps some forgiveness would have been extended for these early missteps but during messier’s tenure in Vancouver the team’s performance mirrored the disappointment the fans felt in his first year the Canucks managed only 25 wins followed by an even worse 23 wins in his second season it wasn’t until his final year that they achieved a slightly better record with 30 wins yet still fell short of making the playoffs and needless to say Messier didn’t exercise his right for a fourth and fifth year in his contract ra he couldn’t get out of Vancouver fast enough now in messier’s defense his on Ice contributions weren’t bad for a player in his late 30s but it still didn’t match his high salary compounding the frustration the team also underwent unpopular changes during his tenure as well like bringing in his ally Mike Keenan trading the face of the franchise in Trevor Lindon also trading Kirk mlan and Pavo Beret just adding to the reasons why this era in Vancouver is so despised these moves dismantled the core of the 1994 Team without bringing any success and leaving them with One Big Mess Messier of course returned to the Rangers in 2000 stating he never wanted to leave making Canuck’s fans hate him even more culminating in Mark suing the team in 2012 over money he claimed they owed him now to be fair to Messier he was rightfully owed this money he had a clause in his contract that would compensate him if the value of the Canucks franchise increased over the life of his contract and naturally with the growth of sports leagues and teams the franchise’s value would increase so it’s understandable why Messi pursued the millions he was owed but still this was yet another slap in the face to Canucks fans the animosity Canucks fans feel towards Mark Messier stems from a mix of historical grievances underwhelming performance and perceived disrespect making it the most frustrating chapter in Canucks history and that my friends is why Vancouver Canucks fans will always hate Mark Messier after the NHL lockout in 2005 ended Messier chose to retire that summer messier’s otherwise illustrious career concluded on a less than ideal note now look this video isn’t meant to diminish anything Messier has done or accomplished he’s one of the most decorated players in NHL history his time in Vancouver is honestly just fascinating to me and that’s why I decided to make this video Messier is considered by many to be the greatest leader of all time for what he did in Edmonton and New York and you can definitely make an argument for that however after his time in Vancouver you can also make the argument that maybe his ego had gotten out of control at this point in his career and maybe he really wasn’t as focused on being a good leader as he might want you to believe so I’m very curious let me know what you boys think about Mark Messier and as always thank you so much for watching like And subscribe for more and I’ll see you boys in the next one

Mark Douglas “Moose” Messier, a legendary forward known for his talent, toughness, and profound respect in the hockey world, graced the game for an astonishing 25 seasons. Revered as one of the greatest players in the sport’s history, Messier’s regular-season records are nothing short of amazing he ranks third in points (1,887), eighth in goals (694), third in assists (1,193), and second in games played (1,756). His playoff statistics are even more awe-inspiring, ranking second all-time in goals (109), assists (186), and points (295), and fourth in games played (236).
Messier’s accolades are a testament to his dominance and skill on the ice. He captured the Hart Trophy as the NHL’s most valuable player twice, once with the Oilers in 1990 and again with the Rangers in 1992. With six Stanley Cup victories to his name and a Conn Smythe Trophy as playoff MVP in 1984, his legacy is cemented in hockey lore.
This is what most people already know about Mark Messier. However, today I want to talk about why Mark Messier is hated by a certain fanbase. Most people forget, but during Messier’s three years with the Vancouver Canucks, he did the most to make himself hated forever within the organization. So why exactly was he so hated, and why does the organization and its fans wanna forget the messier era in vancouver, well lets start at the beginning
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