I personally think a Vezina trophy, three cups, 5 SCF appearances, an incredible amount of wins, and a season with 10 SO is better than good. Agree or disagree?
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MAF is great enough to expertly recover from the terrible positions he often puts himself in.
He’s great.
Good enough to make the Olympics roster even though he did not play.
I would say he is a top 20, maybe top 10 goalie
He played on a good team his entire career which he deserves his share of the credit for but also inflates the stats. Two of the Cups he won he was the backup after losing his job. Vegas was also pretty quick to move on and after seeing him play since it’s hard to argue they were wrong to let him go.
You aren’t great if you have consistently been inconsistent over the course of a 21 year career. He’s been up and down since junior. Great at times, a complete mess at others.
I agree with the guy who told you he’s good but not great.
I remember him getting pulled multiple times in the playoffs and not even starting
Ooo… It’s the save that got Babcock fired!
If someone doesn’t have MAF in their top 5, I’d hold my wallet or purse tight when around them because this someone can’t be trusted.
He’s basically Chris Osgood with more games played.
F that guy!!!
I love Flower…
Currently? That’s an absolutely correct description. In terms of record? He’s one of the most successful goalies in NHL history, even if he started to fall off after 2016. He deserves to be mentioned alongside goalies like Roy, Brodeur, and Belfour.
Do you mean future hall of famer?
Anyone with 500 wins is great. There is only 3 goalies. He has no idea what he talking about. MAF has 1) cups 2) wins 3) longevity
Definitely a first ballot HHOF. I’m pretty sure he’s in a special club outside of hockey that will guarantee it.
They can eat my balls. Flower is a first ballot HOFer!
First ballot Hall Of Famer
I honestly didn’t think we’d get another Osgood situation out of Marc Andre Fleury’s career
Someone is an idiot.
MAF is one of the *only* goalies to be drafted 1st overall for a reason.
Some of those early Penguins teams he was on, Pre-Crosby years, were atrociously bad. Then he switched from those obnoxious yellow pads and everything turned around
Is it possible they meant in terms of current form? Whole career is HOF level, but in 2024 I’d say he’s just outside the top 10
MAF was great
I’m bias but goat tendy is a hard argument between Roy and Brodeur. Playoff wins vs regular season wins. Both had great teams in front of them. I say 1A/1B but the big question is what if Hasek had those teams in front of him instead of buffalo. Flower is immaculate. Can’t skip that the top tendies of all time are from Quebec. Fleury is still my favourite even if Roy was my idiol. Flowers personality and goodwill towards everyone wins every time.
He’s a first ballot hall of famer when he retires. It’s not called “The Hall of Good but not great”
I don’t think he was ever great in a given season, but he was so consistently good (and also in a good situation being in Pit then Vegas) to rack up awards and stats.
I don’t think he was ever a top 3 goalie in any season, including the vezina season. But he has racked up so much that he competes well with the all time greats.
As a penguins fan I love MAF but I also watched him blow multiple playoffs series and eventually become the backup goalie for 2 cup runs. He’s probably a first ballot HOFer due to his record and cups. He’s one of the best of his generation but he’s not in the upper echelons of goalies.
Top 10-15 range all time imo
Fittingly three of 5 things you mentioned are team achievements
A goalie is 1/6 of the team
His career input into his teams overall is inarguably good not great, some great moments, all good goalies have great moments
It’s fitting he has the lowest sample size Vezina in league history
It’s fitting that SOs aren’t a reliable indicator and also… partially a team achievement
It’s not complicated
This old school posturing is just going to dry up over time like a very loud puddle in the sun
He’s a compiler. I remember when Tomas Vokoun had to bail him out in the playoffs. He’s good but people talk about him like he’s the GOAT. He’s not. He’s Chris Osgood-esque.
Hes great when when he isn’t unnecessarily handling the puck lol. I’ve loved him on the wild. Wish he had more years in the tank.
I’m a Caps fan. I hate that guy because he is great.
Didn’t he give up 4 goals in a game 7 3rd period. Then give up the winner in OT?? He’s got cups. But he can’t get rid of that clip.
Don’t forget he was also a 1st overall pick. As a goalie.
I think he’s up there with some of the best.
Recency bias might make sense as to why he would say that. However, he was one of the highest touted prospects of the modern era. Not only did he reach his expectations, I believe he surpassed them. Even when he was drafted a second time to the Golden Knights, he helped carry the rag tag squad to a stanley cup final. By no means is Fleury good but not great. He will go down as one of the best goalies of all time.
Tell them their mom is good but not great but you keep going back because she tops off a prepaid card for you
Was that ‘someone’ Pete DeBoer by chance?
If we’re talking about his current form, that’s true, but all time, he’s great.
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MAF is great enough to expertly recover from the terrible positions he often puts himself in.
He’s great.
Good enough to make the Olympics roster even though he did not play.
I would say he is a top 20, maybe top 10 goalie
He played on a good team his entire career which he deserves his share of the credit for but also inflates the stats. Two of the Cups he won he was the backup after losing his job. Vegas was also pretty quick to move on and after seeing him play since it’s hard to argue they were wrong to let him go.
You aren’t great if you have consistently been inconsistent over the course of a 21 year career. He’s been up and down since junior. Great at times, a complete mess at others.
I agree with the guy who told you he’s good but not great.
I remember him getting pulled multiple times in the playoffs and not even starting
Ooo… It’s the save that got Babcock fired!
If someone doesn’t have MAF in their top 5, I’d hold my wallet or purse tight when around them because this someone can’t be trusted.
He’s basically Chris Osgood with more games played.
F that guy!!!
I love Flower…
Currently? That’s an absolutely correct description. In terms of record? He’s one of the most successful goalies in NHL history, even if he started to fall off after 2016. He deserves to be mentioned alongside goalies like Roy, Brodeur, and Belfour.
Do you mean future hall of famer?
Anyone with 500 wins is great. There is only 3 goalies. He has no idea what he talking about. MAF has 1) cups 2) wins 3) longevity
Definitely a first ballot HHOF. I’m pretty sure he’s in a special club outside of hockey that will guarantee it.
They can eat my balls. Flower is a first ballot HOFer!
First ballot Hall Of Famer
I honestly didn’t think we’d get another Osgood situation out of Marc Andre Fleury’s career
Someone is an idiot.
MAF is one of the *only* goalies to be drafted 1st overall for a reason.
Some of those early Penguins teams he was on, Pre-Crosby years, were atrociously bad. Then he switched from those obnoxious yellow pads and everything turned around
Is it possible they meant in terms of current form? Whole career is HOF level, but in 2024 I’d say he’s just outside the top 10
MAF was great
I’m bias but goat tendy is a hard argument between Roy and Brodeur. Playoff wins vs regular season wins. Both had great teams in front of them. I say 1A/1B but the big question is what if Hasek had those teams in front of him instead of buffalo. Flower is immaculate. Can’t skip that the top tendies of all time are from Quebec. Fleury is still my favourite even if Roy was my idiol. Flowers personality and goodwill towards everyone wins every time.
He’s a first ballot hall of famer when he retires. It’s not called “The Hall of Good but not great”
I don’t think he was ever great in a given season, but he was so consistently good (and also in a good situation being in Pit then Vegas) to rack up awards and stats.
I don’t think he was ever a top 3 goalie in any season, including the vezina season. But he has racked up so much that he competes well with the all time greats.
As a penguins fan I love MAF but I also watched him blow multiple playoffs series and eventually become the backup goalie for 2 cup runs. He’s probably a first ballot HOFer due to his record and cups. He’s one of the best of his generation but he’s not in the upper echelons of goalies.
Top 10-15 range all time imo
Fittingly three of 5 things you mentioned are team achievements
A goalie is 1/6 of the team
His career input into his teams overall is inarguably good not great, some great moments, all good goalies have great moments
It’s fitting he has the lowest sample size Vezina in league history
It’s fitting that SOs aren’t a reliable indicator and also… partially a team achievement
It’s not complicated
This old school posturing is just going to dry up over time like a very loud puddle in the sun
He’s a compiler. I remember when Tomas Vokoun had to bail him out in the playoffs. He’s good but people talk about him like he’s the GOAT. He’s not. He’s Chris Osgood-esque.
Hes great when when he isn’t unnecessarily handling the puck lol. I’ve loved him on the wild. Wish he had more years in the tank.
I’m a Caps fan. I hate that guy because he is great.
Didn’t he give up 4 goals in a game 7 3rd period. Then give up the winner in OT??
He’s got cups. But he can’t get rid of that clip.
Don’t forget he was also a 1st overall pick. As a goalie.
I think he’s up there with some of the best.
Recency bias might make sense as to why he would say that. However, he was one of the highest touted prospects of the modern era. Not only did he reach his expectations, I believe he surpassed them. Even when he was drafted a second time to the Golden Knights, he helped carry the rag tag squad to a stanley cup final. By no means is Fleury good but not great. He will go down as one of the best goalies of all time.
Tell them their mom is good but not great but you keep going back because she tops off a prepaid card for you
Was that ‘someone’ Pete DeBoer by chance?
If we’re talking about his current form, that’s true, but all time, he’s great.