Dhaliwal: Canucks relationship with Ian Clark has gone sour. Their relationship has gone in a wrong direction. Lots of things are in play here one is here is demotion of goalie scout. He (Ian Clark) requested to be director of goaltending but was denied by Rutherford and co.
September 28, 2024
Donnie and Dhali at 12:37
40 comments
Oh for fuckes sake
Don’t really love that, hope we doing more to not lose him
Might be the first Benning-esque mistake by this crew
Fuck, just… fuck. Goaltending development was one thing we got right around here before the regime showed up and JR never really had.
just to be clear, was he asking that the organization create a position for him? Was he asking to take somebody else’s role? I asked because it feels like having a Director of goaltending is a relatively new move some teams are doing
Nobody’s bigger than the team.
It’s funny.
Benning was a dman himself. Hot mess on defense as GM.
Rutherford was a goalie himself. Can’t stay away from a dramatic goalie story. Cam Ward, losing MAF to Vegas, and now this.
Meh, Rutherford has been an executive in this league for a long ass time and has the results to back it up. If Ian Clark is not their guy, then I’m sure there’s a very good reason for it. And honestly, I’m sick of this fanbase treating Clark like he’s some kinda divine deity.
He’s all but gone right? Usually if reports come out that the relationship has deteriorated this much, it’s too far gone.
If his strength is being an on ice goalie coach and he can no longer do that, he loses a lot of job security.
Trust the process.
Yep. Everyone here praising Clark like they value nothing prospects.
I remember Demko signing for 5 years so it matched Clarks contract, so who knows what will he do if Clark would not be in org
He’s 58 and been doing it in the NHL for years, I belive he came back to Vancouver (his hometown) to wind down his career, if this is the end of the relationship I wouldn’t be surprised if he retires.
Oh well. If he truly didn’t want to be on the ice anymore teaching the goalies then who cares.
Oh boy, that’s not good
This has to be the biggest L of this regime so far, no?
I’m starting to wonder if the relationship has soured with Demko himself, or at least with Managment due to Demkos injuries.
Otherwise, from the outside this seems really really dumb.
Ironically this kinda reminds me of when Clark was hired and they changed cloutiers role and then he left. But it was his request to change his role it seems. And really who the fuck cares about his title? Seems like corporate bs from the canucks. Name him goalie czar, doesn’t matter. If he isn’t the director of goaltending who is? Hell, make him agm of goaltending.
The organization acquired and developed Markstrom when Clark left the organization the first time, we also drafted Demko before Clark rejoined, I’m sure the organization will be fine if he leaves again.
I love Clark, his handprints are all over our goaltending in the last 20 years (Luongo, Schneider and Demko) but the organization has shown they’ve done fine without him. Demko was already in the organization for 5 years and knocking on the door to the NHL before he returned.
Demko traded at deadline for final cup pieces
So Benning runs outs our best scout a few years ago and now they’re running out best goalie coach ian clark after they play elias pettersson and demko too much smh.
Ian Clark has been a pocket ace for half a decade, don’t fuck this up
JR and Allvin have a circle and Ian Clark ain’t in it.
That’s too bad. Hope it resolves in a way that we can keep Clark. He’s been so good for our goaltending. But it really doesn’t look good.
There have been rumors for years that Clark isn’t the easiest guy to work with and wants a lot of autonomy, I’m not totally surprised.
Honestly, I am not going to lose sleep over this. With Clarke being older, they need to develop a long-term answer for the goaltending department. And hopefully that’s Marko.
If Clarke can’t be on the ice working with the goalies, it really diminishes the value he can bring to the team.
Keep him
According to this article from 2021, Clark was already Director of Goaltending so I dont know what Dhali is talking about.
Remember when we had the world’s best cap guy – and showed him the door for like no reason whatsoever? What happened next? Oh, right! We had massive and continual cap problems for like a decade afterwards!
The expression “don’t throw the baby out with the bath water” comes to mind. Maybe just allow the guy to run the goaltending department, with the necessary titles, to keep the treadmill of capable goaltenders coming.
He will get poached and the Canucks will be worse off for it.
Inter workings of a business shouldn’t matter. People move on, fact of life. Ian Clark is a good goalie coach. If it isn’t working out anymore, there are other goalie coaches.
Was Ian Clark not already under contract to be director of goaltending?
Unless he had the worst contract ever written then couldn’t demote him to scout if it wasn’t at least slightly mutual/amicable.
Remember these two reporting all the locker room issues with zaddy and that the team was actually looking to love on from him at the deadline… was pretty obviously a presence in the locker room and was part of the soul of this team in the playoffs…
Typical Ian Clark drama
Yeah, they should probably treat that guy pretty good. But…
News like this just goes to show how nasty things will get the closer to the cup we crawl. My guess is guys like Rutherford would consider firing the Sedins if it meant winning the cup. 😄
This clubs track record for loyalty to it’s fan favorites and stars isnt really that great. Its more like, “what you done for me lately, kick them out the door” style, and if the fans feel bad about it in 10 years, have a recognition night and put them in the ring of honour. 😂
If this was benning and co. I would be worried. But this management group has really made me believe in them. I’m not stressing over this
He was worshipped like a celebrity in Vancouver but I always wonder if being worshipped is a curse because it can really go to your head. Obviously I have no idea what’s going on but when Rutherford flexes on a guy it feels like some kind of statement.
This is just idle gossip on my part but because we don’t get details my best guess is maybe they thought Clark worked his goalies too hard to the point of injury? I mean, Markstrom had injury issues too. And maybe there were arguments about his methods that turned into sour grapes?
Total guess of course but this is Canucks Reddit so this is the place for it lol.
40 comments
Oh for fuckes sake
Don’t really love that, hope we doing more to not lose him
Might be the first Benning-esque mistake by this crew
Fuck, just… fuck. Goaltending development was one thing we got right around here before the regime showed up and JR never really had.
just to be clear, was he asking that the organization create a position for him? Was he asking to take somebody else’s role? I asked because it feels like having a Director of goaltending is a relatively new move some teams are doing
Nobody’s bigger than the team.
It’s funny.
Benning was a dman himself. Hot mess on defense as GM.
Rutherford was a goalie himself. Can’t stay away from a dramatic goalie story. Cam Ward, losing MAF to Vegas, and now this.
Meh, Rutherford has been an executive in this league for a long ass time and has the results to back it up. If Ian Clark is not their guy, then I’m sure there’s a very good reason for it. And honestly, I’m sick of this fanbase treating Clark like he’s some kinda divine deity.
He’s all but gone right? Usually if reports come out that the relationship has deteriorated this much, it’s too far gone.
If his strength is being an on ice goalie coach and he can no longer do that, he loses a lot of job security.
Trust the process.
Yep. Everyone here praising Clark like they value nothing prospects.
I remember Demko signing for 5 years so it matched Clarks contract, so who knows what will he do if Clark would not be in org
He’s 58 and been doing it in the NHL for years, I belive he came back to Vancouver (his hometown) to wind down his career, if this is the end of the relationship I wouldn’t be surprised if he retires.
Oh well. If he truly didn’t want to be on the ice anymore teaching the goalies then who cares.
Oh boy, that’s not good
This has to be the biggest L of this regime so far, no?
I’m starting to wonder if the relationship has soured with Demko himself, or at least with Managment due to Demkos injuries.
Otherwise, from the outside this seems really really dumb.
Ironically this kinda reminds me of when Clark was hired and they changed cloutiers role and then he left. But it was his request to change his role it seems. And really who the fuck cares about his title? Seems like corporate bs from the canucks. Name him goalie czar, doesn’t matter. If he isn’t the director of goaltending who is? Hell, make him agm of goaltending.
The organization acquired and developed Markstrom when Clark left the organization the first time, we also drafted Demko before Clark rejoined, I’m sure the organization will be fine if he leaves again.
I love Clark, his handprints are all over our goaltending in the last 20 years (Luongo, Schneider and Demko) but the organization has shown they’ve done fine without him. Demko was already in the organization for 5 years and knocking on the door to the NHL before he returned.
Demko traded at deadline for final cup pieces
So Benning runs outs our best scout a few years ago and now they’re running out best goalie coach ian clark after they play elias pettersson and demko too much smh.
Ian Clark has been a pocket ace for half a decade, don’t fuck this up
JR and Allvin have a circle and Ian Clark ain’t in it.
That’s too bad. Hope it resolves in a way that we can keep Clark. He’s been so good for our goaltending. But it really doesn’t look good.
There have been rumors for years that Clark isn’t the easiest guy to work with and wants a lot of autonomy, I’m not totally surprised.
Honestly, I am not going to lose sleep over this. With Clarke being older, they need to develop a long-term answer for the goaltending department. And hopefully that’s Marko.
If Clarke can’t be on the ice working with the goalies, it really diminishes the value he can bring to the team.
Keep him
According to this article from 2021, Clark was already Director of Goaltending so I dont know what Dhali is talking about.
https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/canucks-hockey/ian-clark-wondered-if-he-would-be-back-in-vancouver-before-hard-push-by-the-canucks-3868603
Remember when we had the world’s best cap guy – and showed him the door for like no reason whatsoever? What happened next? Oh, right! We had massive and continual cap problems for like a decade afterwards!
The expression “don’t throw the baby out with the bath water” comes to mind. Maybe just allow the guy to run the goaltending department, with the necessary titles, to keep the treadmill of capable goaltenders coming.
He will get poached and the Canucks will be worse off for it.
Inter workings of a business shouldn’t matter. People move on, fact of life. Ian Clark is a good goalie coach. If it isn’t working out anymore, there are other goalie coaches.
Was Ian Clark not already under contract to be director of goaltending?
Unless he had the worst contract ever written then couldn’t demote him to scout if it wasn’t at least slightly mutual/amicable.
Remember these two reporting all the locker room issues with zaddy and that the team was actually looking to love on from him at the deadline… was pretty obviously a presence in the locker room and was part of the soul of this team in the playoffs…
Typical Ian Clark drama
Yeah, they should probably treat that guy pretty good. But…
News like this just goes to show how nasty things will get the closer to the cup we crawl. My guess is guys like Rutherford would consider firing the Sedins if it meant winning the cup. 😄
This clubs track record for loyalty to it’s fan favorites and stars isnt really that great. Its more like, “what you done for me lately, kick them out the door” style, and if the fans feel bad about it in 10 years, have a recognition night and put them in the ring of honour. 😂
If this was benning and co. I would be worried. But this management group has really made me believe in them. I’m not stressing over this
He was worshipped like a celebrity in Vancouver but I always wonder if being worshipped is a curse because it can really go to your head. Obviously I have no idea what’s going on but when Rutherford flexes on a guy it feels like some kind of statement.
This is just idle gossip on my part but because we don’t get details my best guess is maybe they thought Clark worked his goalies too hard to the point of injury? I mean, Markstrom had injury issues too. And maybe there were arguments about his methods that turned into sour grapes?
Total guess of course but this is Canucks Reddit so this is the place for it lol.
Dhaliwal is nonsense about 75% of the time
Zrutherford and co rarely have leaks come out
Demkos injuries must have strained relationships