[Dunleavy] 2 conflicting Giants narratives I keep seeing/hearing “Daniel Jones never should’ve been the No. 6 pick. That was a big mistake.” But then … “Giants have to draft their next QB this year. Take a shot even if it’s supposed to be a weak class.” Um?
November 13, 2024
[Dunleavy] 2 conflicting Giants narratives I keep seeing/hearing “Daniel Jones never should’ve been the No. 6 pick. That was a big mistake.” But then … “Giants have to draft their next QB this year. Take a shot even if it’s supposed to be a weak class.” Um?
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The giants need a new qb. They don’t have to draft one.
But let’s see where we end up in the draft first. No one would’ve had a problem with the qb pick if we were first and took Kylar. Or if Herbert came out
If we’re not able to get ward or even shadeur, I’d rather go BPA and take a bridge qb and try for a qb next draft but we absolutely must move on from DJ
daniel jones would not be qb1 in this class.
These aren’t conflicting. CJ Stroud was in a weak class. Daniel Jones should have gone in the second round at the earliest. This draft has 2 or 3 guys who are definitely first rounders, and most likely better than Jones ever was. Now, that doesn’t mean they HAVE to take a QB if they can’t get their guy. And if they do and he sucks, dump him and draft another the following year.
This QB class is so over-hated just from following up on a legendary QB class.
I mean, Daniel Jones was considered a reach at the time. Nobody would say Cam Ward is a reach in the top 6.
I’m usually the guy to say “the draft class looks weak now but a stud almost always emerges as the season goes on.” I do not think a stud has emerged. I watch a lot more CFB than NFL and I’ve got big concerns about all the qb prospects this year
It’s on the talent evaluators to get it right. Look at last years QB Crop. Caleb Williams being benched and Bo Nix is arguably playing the best ball out of any of them Jayden Daniels included.
Get Ward. Be Happy.
2021 was supposed to be a great QB draft and look how that is turning out…. Aside from Lawrence who was supposed to be “generational” not one QB from that draft is good and 5 were taken in the top 15 picks.
Simple, they should not draft Daniel Jones this time.
If we have a top 3 pick and have the choice between Snaders and Ward; I’d prefer Ward.
I just think with Sanders there is a bit too much baggage, I’m not denying his talent.
It’s not weak though
I don’t necessarily have a problem with them having drafted him as much as how long they stuck with him.
Jones shouldn’t have been the pick – but the bigger issue was not realizing he wasn’t the guy sooner. I think after his 3rd year it should have been a wrap. but with the new GM/coaches they gave him a chance and we had some success – leading to the extension. just compounded the issue.
Regardless of where they are picking, they need to decide who their QB is going to be in the draft and keep it close to the chest. Who knows, someone could offer them a lot of picks to get their pick. It’s November. The draft is too far away to determine what to do.
The big mistake wasn’t drafting Jones, it was committing to him for six fucking years.
Drafting the wrong QB doesn’t have to set you back any more than drafting the wrong RT given the rookie wage scale.
Losing respect for Dunleavy every day that passes; how can you be so naive to ignore that both things can be true, lol?
While I get it is a red flag that Schoen/ Daboll basically are backing themselves into a corner of needing to take a QB to save their jobs… the 2019 draft classes successes and failures have no correlation or impact on whatever the heck the 2025 draft class will end up being.
The Giants were laughed out the building when they took Jones that night. It wasn’t reaching for the next best QB in a weak class, it was reaching for a pick that no one projected as a starter.
Do people just not remember the 2019 draft or something? The only Giants fan who wanted Jones at 6 was Dave Gettleman. It was widely seen as a ridiculous pick by fans and media alike. This would be nothing like that even if we don’t pick the right guy
Schoen and Daboll have not done great but I trust their QB evaluations far more than than DG, resigning DJ not withstanding
What’s the conflict? Daniel Jones was a reach at 6, but they likes his potential… fine, the dumb shit was keeping him for 6 seasons.
If you don’t know about a guy at the end of year 3, move on.
The problem isn’t taking a shot at a QB….its refusing to move on once he’s proved that he isn’t good.
At the end of the day, there needs to be shots taken to get a qb. See Kirk cousins and rg3 for Washington. One was a top pick that took them to the playoffs quickly the other is a good starting qb in this league. Throw darts to get one to stick.
We can still draft a qb outside the first. Ideally someone they like. I could see Milroe being taken in the second if he’s still there otherwise don’t reach.
Honestly what needs to happen is:
1. Hired an interim Veteran QB – someone that would be willing to stick around for a 2-3 year deal and is serviceable that can mentor whomever the next drafted QB. 2. Draft a QB round 2-3 – high enough that they are worth a damn, but low enough that sitting them for a year as a developmental plan doesn’t freak ownership out (fans will freak no matter what.) 3. Draft the best O-Lineman available in the first round as either a Guard or Swing tackle (since we have no depth there apparently.)
If we attempt to draft any QB without giving them a year to sit and learn we will ruin their career, and get both the HC and GM fired, thus starting this cycle over again.
Teams miss on QBs all the time. The bigger error was not realizing he sucks before tying the franchise to him
Gettleman f’d us. Then Schoen F’d up choosing 8 over 26.
This is a horrendous take. Ward and Sanders are FAR better prospects than shitty Daniel Jones was. If we have a shot at one of them and don’t take it this franchise is truly hopeless.
The difference is that people knew DJ wasn’t considered a 1st round pick, let alone a top 10 pick. The only 2 QBs considered worthy for the top half of this draft is Sanders and Ward. They’re already an improvement from DJ from Day 1. I think the QB experiment begins after those 2 are taken, but I hope we manage to get one of the 2 (Ward preferably)
Can’t hit the ball without swinging the bat
Nuance is a thing
I want the Giants to draft a QB until they find THE Qb. Doesn’t have to be a 1st rd pick. This year, next year. 10 years from now. Just try.
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The giants need a new qb. They don’t have to draft one.
But let’s see where we end up in the draft first. No one would’ve had a problem with the qb pick if we were first and took Kylar. Or if Herbert came out
If we’re not able to get ward or even shadeur, I’d rather go BPA and take a bridge qb and try for a qb next draft but we absolutely must move on from DJ
daniel jones would not be qb1 in this class.
These aren’t conflicting. CJ Stroud was in a weak class. Daniel Jones should have gone in the second round at the earliest. This draft has 2 or 3 guys who are definitely first rounders, and most likely better than Jones ever was. Now, that doesn’t mean they HAVE to take a QB if they can’t get their guy. And if they do and he sucks, dump him and draft another the following year.
This QB class is so over-hated just from following up on a legendary QB class.
I mean, Daniel Jones was considered a reach at the time. Nobody would say Cam Ward is a reach in the top 6.
I’m usually the guy to say “the draft class looks weak now but a stud almost always emerges as the season goes on.” I do not think a stud has emerged. I watch a lot more CFB than NFL and I’ve got big concerns about all the qb prospects this year
It’s on the talent evaluators to get it right. Look at last years QB Crop. Caleb Williams being benched and Bo Nix is arguably playing the best ball out of any of them Jayden Daniels included.
Get Ward. Be Happy.
2021 was supposed to be a great QB draft and look how that is turning out…. Aside from Lawrence who was supposed to be “generational” not one QB from that draft is good and 5 were taken in the top 15 picks.
Simple, they should not draft Daniel Jones this time.
If we have a top 3 pick and have the choice between Snaders and Ward; I’d prefer Ward.
I just think with Sanders there is a bit too much baggage, I’m not denying his talent.
It’s not weak though
I don’t necessarily have a problem with them having drafted him as much as how long they stuck with him.
Jones shouldn’t have been the pick – but the bigger issue was not realizing he wasn’t the guy sooner. I think after his 3rd year it should have been a wrap. but with the new GM/coaches they gave him a chance and we had some success – leading to the extension. just compounded the issue.
Regardless of where they are picking, they need to decide who their QB is going to be in the draft and keep it close to the chest. Who knows, someone could offer them a lot of picks to get their pick. It’s November. The draft is too far away to determine what to do.
The big mistake wasn’t drafting Jones, it was committing to him for six fucking years.
Drafting the wrong QB doesn’t have to set you back any more than drafting the wrong RT given the rookie wage scale.
Losing respect for Dunleavy every day that passes; how can you be so naive to ignore that both things can be true, lol?
While I get it is a red flag that Schoen/ Daboll basically are backing themselves into a corner of needing to take a QB to save their jobs… the 2019 draft classes successes and failures have no correlation or impact on whatever the heck the 2025 draft class will end up being.
The Giants were laughed out the building when they took Jones that night. It wasn’t reaching for the next best QB in a weak class, it was reaching for a pick that no one projected as a starter.
Do people just not remember the 2019 draft or something? The only Giants fan who wanted Jones at 6 was Dave Gettleman. It was widely seen as a ridiculous pick by fans and media alike. This would be nothing like that even if we don’t pick the right guy
Schoen and Daboll have not done great but I trust their QB evaluations far more than than DG, resigning DJ not withstanding
What’s the conflict? Daniel Jones was a reach at 6, but they likes his potential… fine, the dumb shit was keeping him for 6 seasons.
If you don’t know about a guy at the end of year 3, move on.
The problem isn’t taking a shot at a QB….its refusing to move on once he’s proved that he isn’t good.
At the end of the day, there needs to be shots taken to get a qb. See Kirk cousins and rg3 for Washington. One was a top pick that took them to the playoffs quickly the other is a good starting qb in this league. Throw darts to get one to stick.
We can still draft a qb outside the first. Ideally someone they like. I could see Milroe being taken in the second if he’s still there otherwise don’t reach.
Honestly what needs to happen is:
1. Hired an interim Veteran QB – someone that would be willing to stick around for a 2-3 year deal and is serviceable that can mentor whomever the next drafted QB.
2. Draft a QB round 2-3 – high enough that they are worth a damn, but low enough that sitting them for a year as a developmental plan doesn’t freak ownership out (fans will freak no matter what.)
3. Draft the best O-Lineman available in the first round as either a Guard or Swing tackle (since we have no depth there apparently.)
If we attempt to draft any QB without giving them a year to sit and learn we will ruin their career, and get both the HC and GM fired, thus starting this cycle over again.
Teams miss on QBs all the time. The bigger error was not realizing he sucks before tying the franchise to him
Gettleman f’d us. Then Schoen F’d up choosing 8 over 26.
This is a horrendous take. Ward and Sanders are FAR better prospects than shitty Daniel Jones was. If we have a shot at one of them and don’t take it this franchise is truly hopeless.
The difference is that people knew DJ wasn’t considered a 1st round pick, let alone a top 10 pick. The only 2 QBs considered worthy for the top half of this draft is Sanders and Ward. They’re already an improvement from DJ from Day 1. I think the QB experiment begins after those 2 are taken, but I hope we manage to get one of the 2 (Ward preferably)
Can’t hit the ball without swinging the bat
Nuance is a thing
I want the Giants to draft a QB until they find THE Qb. Doesn’t have to be a 1st rd pick. This year, next year. 10 years from now. Just try.