https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5918747/2024/11/14/new-york-mets-garrett-crochet-trade-rumors/?source=user_shared_article Do the Mets have enough to swing a deal for White Sox ace Garrett Crochet?

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  1. > Do the Mets have enough to swing a deal for White Sox Ace Garrett Crochet?

    Without reading the article, yes.

    I just think there may be better deals out there.

  2. Obviously there’s risk in trading for him given his limited time starting and just the nature of pitching variance, but if Sterns were to pull the trigger on this I’d be ecstatic and fully trust that whatever he’s willing to give up is the right price

  3. He mentions Zach Scott’s proposal of “Williams, Ronny Mauricio, Brett Baty and Jesus Baez” may not be enough if a team like the Red Sox are willing to move top prospects like Roman Anthony or Marcelo Mayer.

    He adds that in order to get Crochet, the Mets may need to include pitching prospect or eat a larger contract.

    If that’s what it takes to get Crochet though that’s an easy deal to say yes to.

  5. Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t the guy only able to pitch like 4 innings max? Doesn’t sound like an “ace” to me, even on a historically bad team

    Edit: I was in fact wrong. Ignore my dumbass

  6. As long as Crochet’s willing to sign an extension and there’s a negotiation window, you say yes to the Scott deal.

  7. I think there’s a ton of concern for this guy. He was a RP until last year apparently so his innings jumped dramatically. You have to wonder how he’ll adjust to that physically. He could easily be a one year wonder

  8. he’s got 2 years left until free agency. better off waiting to see if he can handle full time duty and signing him then than giving up tons of prospects and praying his arm doesn’t break again next year from overuse

  12. They do have enough. However, Stearns is too smart to gut the farm system after the team just started to rebuild it.

  13. Did yall watch the game he pitched against us? I haven’t seen a pitcher look that nasty since prime DeGrom. He’s 25. Other than Soto, theres no player more appealing to me.

  15. Zack Scott seems to give an actual realistic trade which is what I brought up in the daily thread.

    I really don’t think a guy with crochet’s history and risk profile is going to take *multiple* top 100 prospects. He’s elite but he doesn’t have enough of a track record of this performance and has injury history.

  16. This would be a no brainer if Crochet had 600+ innings track record of being an ace. Unfortunately, It’s still a risky move. He has what 18 starts of awesomeness? I’d love Crochet on the Mets, but I don’t think we’re gonna beat the Red Sox prospect package anyways. Plus its free agency so we have plenty of options. Snell, Burnes, Fried, Manaea, Buehler, etc. are nice options to have.

  17. If the Mets sign Soto, I’d be more than happy to gut the farm system for Crochet and Luis Robert.

  18. How close does this get us?

    **Mets Get**

    * Crochet
    * Luis Robert Jr, taking on his full salary

    **White Sox get**

    * One of Drew Gilbert or Jett Williams
    * Two of Ronnie Mauricio, Brett Baty, Ryan Clifford
    * One of McNeil or Marte, with the Mets sending cash to cover some, but not all, of the salary

  21. I’d love to have Crochet, but when there are plenty of ace quality starters available for just money, why not just do that? Considering there are two resources involved here to improve our rotation. One is money, the other is prospects/players. We have a lot more money than we do prospects. We don’t need that top end ace. Most teams don’t have that guy. We got to the NLCS with Manaea and Severino as our “aces”. We can sign a few free agent “top of the rotation” quality pitchers, while keeping our entire farm intact. If you look at all the teams that have sustained success, they are constantly drawing from their farm system. We need to not only use Cohens funds to sign free agents, but to consistently produce quality players from within. Imagine if we traded Alvarez and/or Vientos two years ago to improve our rotation instead of just signing guys like Verlander and Scherzer? How much worse would that look now?

  22. What do people realistically think the White Sox will want from us? The Zack Scott proposal isn’t happening.

  24. The farm talk is asinine to me. If the Mets get Soto, a lot of those guys are utility players at best because the pathway to being an everyday player is limited. You can “gut the farm” when you have a 300M payroll, already have guys in arbitration performing, and have a ton of long term contracts already.

  26. As great as Crochet is, I hate the idea of trading promising position players for pitchers in today’s environment. Pitchers are such a volatile asset in the modern game between injuries (particularly UCL, but not limited to that) and the league’s constant tinkering with the baseball and the rules. Obviously position players can get hurt too and the spread between ceiling and floor for any prospect is going to be wide, but I’d feel much better about betting on Jett and Clifford than I would about putting those eggs into one basket that’s always a UCL-snap away from missing 1-2 years.

    The pitching environment is made of sand right now and modern arms are made of glass. We saw in 2019 that there’s nothing stopping the league from putting out a slick ball that some guys can’t grip. There’s no reason they can’t arbitrarily add or subtract rules which can completely fuck up an established pitcher’s mojo, as we saw with pitch clocks and now with debates about adding the ABS. Pretty much every guy with “good stuff” is playing roulette with their UCL. It’s not a matter of “if” any hard thrower will be seeing Dr. ElAttrache or one of his orthopedic surgeon colleagues, but “when” and “how many times”. Getting through 162 games with good pitching is increasingly becoming as much a matter of quantity as quality. It’s not the arena to go all-in on 1-3 studs and hope they’ll carry you. Kodai Senga was supposed to be our ace this year, for those with short memories.

  27. I have no useful commentary, but as an avid crocheter it’s possible I would be the first person to order that jersey

  28. I think the Mets are going to trade for young controllable pitching. I don’t think its going to be someone we have heard is available.

  30. Crochet is very talented but I’d prefer a “less sexy” option. Which seems to be right in Stearns wheel house.

  31. We have a number of expendable position player prospects so a deal can be made in theory.

    Parada, Mauricio, Baty, Acuna,

  32. No reason to not kick the tires, hopefully they want an IF prospect. We need starting pitching and he’s that.

    P.S. A 6-12 record with a 3.58 ERA jfc

  37. Wait, so from reading all these threads, you have to empty the farm system and then offer him an immediate deal? I watch SNY, and they stated the advantage is the two years of control.

    I’m not looking at the wins and losses for the WS pitcher.

    I get not having a bunch of infielder with Lindor and Swaggy locking up the positions for years to come. This guy seems like too much high risk, high reward.

    I’d rather he prove it and then pay the piper.

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