Which active players are closest to the avg HOF bWAR total for their position?
November 15, 2024
Which active players are closest to the avg HOF bWAR total for their position?
36 comments
I understand using bWAR but the Catchers should probably have fWAR to account for framing
That’s a lot of future Hall of famers.
I would be curious if the median bWAR is significantly different from the average for each.
We are in a dark age of star catchers, especially considering that bWAR tends to overrate catcher’s value. I’m not even sure i can name an active catcher who could be on a HOF path.
The shortstop debate will be fun to see in a few years. A lot of these guys are “on track” but there’s a lot of injury history here. Will be interesting to see how many of them get close to or above the average.
Makes sense. Didn’t expect Goldy quite so high. And didn’t expect Altuve so far from the 2B average. And expected a lower average for RP
Seeing Shohei on the SP section feels so weird after his (probably) 3rd MVP year but this time without a single inning pitched. That being said, are there no DHs in the HOF? Or do people just not count as full time DHs in this and instead the other position they play the most?
Trout being way over the average is quite funny even tho he missed a lot of games
Stanton is interesting. He could be the first clean player to hit 500 home runs and not make the HOF. If he gets to 500 his vote should be interesting.
It’s gonna be really fascinating to see the parameters for HOF SPs after the Verlander/Greinke/Scherzer/Kershaw group is finished. Outside of Ohtani, Cole is probably the best bet of the next group but the game has just changed so much.
Kimbrel went backwards last year
Crazy that Jake may not make the threshold (for whatever that’s worth) for as dominant as he has been.
Without looking I’d say he’s hurt by total IP.
Damn Mookie
Mariano Rivera really skewing those RP WAR totals
Mike Trout
jason heyward at 42 WAR lol
I didn’t expect relief pitchers to be so high. I also expect only one of those guys has a shot at getting in, and it’s the guy at the bottom.
Greinke is active? Has anyone told him?
What blows my mind is Mike Trout’s WAR. Dude has been chronically major injured the past 4 seasons. So if he was fully healthy he’d be at 105+ WAR by now. If he had a graceful decline into his late 30s he could legit hit 150+ WAR.
Just a goddamn shame how his career was derailed by injuries.
Good thing Whitaker isn’t in there, Altuve would be even further behind!
This really puts into context how frustrating the Astros cheating really was, because they had like 6 possible hall of famers on that team. They were already so good.
Surprised that Altuve’s numbers are that far behind. Would’ve expected to be much closer, for 14 seasons….
Salvador Perez is gonna be a really interesting test case for how much WAR benchmarks actually make or break a HoF vs career accolades and counting stats. The advanced metrics suggest he’s nowhere near qualifying, but he’s got one of the most impressive hardware collections of any active players—9xall star, WS MVP, 5x silver slugger, 5x gold glove. He’s super well liked, a Roberto Clemente award winner, and arguably the signature player of this era of the Royals. I can see the argument against his inclusion, but personally I don’t consider it the Hall of WAR, and I wouldn’t consider it a travesty if he got in, particularly since its looking like there may not be any qualifying catchers for a long time to come.
What an awesome visual! So easy to read
God damn is second base currently so damn weak
All those grizzled veterans, and Ohtani.
Hot take, but I think Verlander and Kershaw end up in the Hall of Fame.
How is bWAR calculated exactly?
I definitely expected Salvy to be closer to the average
Crazy what Trout accomplished given he’s lost three years to guys like Harper and Mookie
harp is a 1b now
Thanks for this – v interesting. Is Greinke the lock his stats make out? Does he get hurt by his goofball image?
I wonder if we will ever see a relief pitcher make the HOF that wasn’t a closer or if that’s just a group of players who can be good and have a long career and just not get noticed.
If Wilson Contreras and his 27WAR deserve to be on this list, so does Ketel Marte and his 31WAR!
Who’s the next highest 2B?
jram should have a very good shot. His last non covid season under 5 war was 2019 where he only played 129 games. If he plays 150 games, expect between 5 and 7 WAR. He’s entering his age 32 season, so unless the pace drops very quickly he’ll be at that average number in just a few seasons.
C-Perez makes it, Realmuto 50%
1B- Goldschmidt and Freeman are in, Olson has best chance of the others
2B- Altuve is in
SS- Lindor has more than 50% chance but not a lock, none of the others get in
3B- Manny, Arenado, and J-Ram make it but have to wait because going in together, and Chapman has a chance based on defense
LF- Soto has best chance but has to play a lot more
CF- Trout in, McCutchen out
RF- Mookie, Judge, Harper make it, Stanton makes it if he can hit 500 HRs
P- Cueto and deGrom miss, rest get in
RP- no clue, we’ll see if Wagner gets in this year before judging their chances.
36 comments
I understand using bWAR but the Catchers should probably have fWAR to account for framing
That’s a lot of future Hall of famers.
I would be curious if the median bWAR is significantly different from the average for each.
We are in a dark age of star catchers, especially considering that bWAR tends to overrate catcher’s value. I’m not even sure i can name an active catcher who could be on a HOF path.
The shortstop debate will be fun to see in a few years. A lot of these guys are “on track” but there’s a lot of injury history here. Will be interesting to see how many of them get close to or above the average.
Makes sense. Didn’t expect Goldy quite so high. And didn’t expect Altuve so far from the 2B average. And expected a lower average for RP
Seeing Shohei on the SP section feels so weird after his (probably) 3rd MVP year but this time without a single inning pitched. That being said, are there no DHs in the HOF? Or do people just not count as full time DHs in this and instead the other position they play the most?
Trout being way over the average is quite funny even tho he missed a lot of games
Stanton is interesting. He could be the first clean player to hit 500 home runs and not make the HOF. If he gets to 500 his vote should be interesting.
It’s gonna be really fascinating to see the parameters for HOF SPs after the Verlander/Greinke/Scherzer/Kershaw group is finished. Outside of Ohtani, Cole is probably the best bet of the next group but the game has just changed so much.
Kimbrel went backwards last year
Crazy that Jake may not make the threshold (for whatever that’s worth) for as dominant as he has been.
Without looking I’d say he’s hurt by total IP.
Damn Mookie
Mariano Rivera really skewing those RP WAR totals
Mike Trout
jason heyward at 42 WAR lol
I didn’t expect relief pitchers to be so high. I also expect only one of those guys has a shot at getting in, and it’s the guy at the bottom.
Greinke is active? Has anyone told him?
What blows my mind is Mike Trout’s WAR. Dude has been chronically major injured the past 4 seasons. So if he was fully healthy he’d be at 105+ WAR by now. If he had a graceful decline into his late 30s he could legit hit 150+ WAR.
Just a goddamn shame how his career was derailed by injuries.
Good thing Whitaker isn’t in there, Altuve would be even further behind!
This really puts into context how frustrating the Astros cheating really was, because they had like 6 possible hall of famers on that team. They were already so good.
Surprised that Altuve’s numbers are that far behind. Would’ve expected to be much closer, for 14 seasons….
Salvador Perez is gonna be a really interesting test case for how much WAR benchmarks actually make or break a HoF vs career accolades and counting stats.
The advanced metrics suggest he’s nowhere near qualifying, but he’s got one of the most impressive hardware collections of any active players—9xall star, WS MVP, 5x silver slugger, 5x gold glove. He’s super well liked, a Roberto Clemente award winner, and arguably the signature player of this era of the Royals.
I can see the argument against his inclusion, but personally I don’t consider it the Hall of WAR, and I wouldn’t consider it a travesty if he got in, particularly since its looking like there may not be any qualifying catchers for a long time to come.
What an awesome visual! So easy to read
God damn is second base currently so damn weak
All those grizzled veterans, and Ohtani.
Hot take, but I think Verlander and Kershaw end up in the Hall of Fame.
How is bWAR calculated exactly?
I definitely expected Salvy to be closer to the average
Crazy what Trout accomplished given he’s lost three years to guys like Harper and Mookie
harp is a 1b now
Thanks for this – v interesting. Is Greinke the lock his stats make out? Does he get hurt by his goofball image?
I wonder if we will ever see a relief pitcher make the HOF that wasn’t a closer or if that’s just a group of players who can be good and have a long career and just not get noticed.
If Wilson Contreras and his 27WAR deserve to be on this list, so does Ketel Marte and his 31WAR!
Who’s the next highest 2B?
jram should have a very good shot. His last non covid season under 5 war was 2019 where he only played 129 games. If he plays 150 games, expect between 5 and 7 WAR. He’s entering his age 32 season, so unless the pace drops very quickly he’ll be at that average number in just a few seasons.
C-Perez makes it, Realmuto 50%
1B- Goldschmidt and Freeman are in, Olson has best chance of the others
2B- Altuve is in
SS- Lindor has more than 50% chance but not a lock, none of the others get in
3B- Manny, Arenado, and J-Ram make it but have to wait because going in together, and Chapman has a chance based on defense
LF- Soto has best chance but has to play a lot more
CF- Trout in, McCutchen out
RF- Mookie, Judge, Harper make it, Stanton makes it if he can hit 500 HRs
P- Cueto and deGrom miss, rest get in
RP- no clue, we’ll see if Wagner gets in this year before judging their chances.