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  2. From the athletic NFCE writers mid season roundtable –

    The Dallas Cowboys and New York Giants appear to be headed south this season. Which team would you say has the bigger mess to clean up going forward? And how do you fix it?

    Duggan: The Cowboys have gone off the rails, but they’re better equipped for a turnaround. They’ll undoubtedly fire coach Mike McCarthy, so there’s reason to believe they can upgrade that position (Bill Belichick?). They also have an elite quarterback in Dak Prescott, whose injury sank this season. They have other star players, such as wide receiver CeeDee Lamb and linebacker Micah Parsons, and a demonstrated history of drafting well. The Giants need a quarterback in a draft class that offers no slam-dunk saviors. They’re likely going to retain coach Brian Daboll and general manager Joe Schoen off what is headed toward a second consecutive season of double-digit losses. There’s some talent on the roster, but fixing this mess is contingent on them hitting on a quarterback in the draft. That’s easier said than done. They have the scars from six years of trying to force Jones as a franchise QB as evidence of that.

    Yousuf: Both teams appear to be headed for a change at head coach, but the Cowboys at least don’t have a question mark at quarterback in 2025. Prescott needs to be better, but he’s proven to be a bona fide franchise quarterback in the NFL, which isn’t something the Giants can say they have right now. I would say the Giants have a bigger mess to clean up. The Cowboys are in a better position because of their top-end talent — Prescott, Parsons and Lamb — but they’re hamstrung by the stubbornness of Jerry Jones as the general manager. It’s the oldest talk-radio segment in the book in Dallas, that “Jerry the Owner” needs to fire Jerry the GM, but it isn’t going to happen. Even so, the Cowboys do have a lot of pieces on the roster that were central points to three consecutive 12-win seasons before this year. The last time the Giants had double-digit wins in a season was 2016. To fix the Giants, they need a new head coach and an answer at quarterback, two major problems for which the solution is much easier said than done.

    Standig: As we all know, the issue with Dallas is you can’t fire the owner. The next issue, after the inevitable McCarthy firing, is finding a strong head coach willing to work under Jerry Jones, the team’s owner/GM. Look at the list of coaches since Jimmy Johnson bolted to understand that challenge. Questions about Prescott’s ceiling remain. So, yeah, this is tough. The ”solution” is Jones letting a personnel executive (Will McClay?) run the front office without interference. Since that’s not an option, hire Deion Sanders, rake in even more money and hope for the best.

    Kubena: The Giants have bigger issues than just an obstinate owner getting in their way. They’re reaching rock bottom in the wake of poor decisions made both on the field and in the front office. Schoen and Daboll were both hired in 2022, and they’re both to blame. They chose to invest $160 million in Daniel Jones, who’s been sacked a fourth-most 29 times, while 2022 first-round pick Evan Neal can’t stay on the field partly because the team misdiagnosed his ankle fracture. The on-field product is terrible, suggesting a reset of both the system and roster, and I don’t think owner John Mara can trust that Schoen and Daboll are the ones who can fix it — not after his nightmare materialized when former franchise player Saquon Barkley embarrassed them in a 28-3 loss to the Eagles (in which Jones was benched).

  3. (Athletic NFCE round table) What’s the most encouraging or discouraging thing about your respective team at this point of the season?

    Duggan: The most encouraging aspect of the season is the performance of the rookie class. First-round pick Malik Nabers already looks like a No. 1 wide receiver, and fifth-round pick Tyrone Tracy Jr. has strengthened the belief that teams don’t need to spend to have a quality running back. Mid-round picks Tyler Nubin, Dru Phillips and Theo Johnson are starters and have flashed varying degrees of promise. The most discouraging thing about this season is the quarterback this regime awarded a four-year, $160 million contract to 20 months ago has a 3-13 record over the past two seasons. The swing-and-miss on Jones casts a shadow over everything else this regime has done.

  7. So I was all for keeping Daboll and giving him a QB, but Darius slayton (Darius fucking slayton) just posted a free man on Nick mcClouds insta post of being a 9er and that tells me he has lost the locker room. I think we need to bring in Vrabel or Bill or someone to set a good culture, because that shit is horrible.

  8. What do people think of Shedeur Sanders performance against Utah? He looks decent but a lot of his throws are risky double or triple coverage. Which is made up for by his elite WR. Just wonder how that’d translate to the giants if we took him.

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