Elliotte Friedman says Buffalo is getting calls on Cozens. What do you guys think? I say he’s risky, currently not worth the cap hit.
December 13, 2024
Elliotte Friedman says Buffalo is getting calls on Cozens. What do you guys think? I say he’s risky, currently not worth the cap hit.
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I think he shouldn’t command much of a return given his contract and level of play currently. High risk high reward move in general. I think we probably don’t need to rush into this trade and end up with another Kevin Hayes is my thought
Depends what they are asking for. Probably at least a 1st rounder. Like Myrtetus said on Flyers Daily this week and Elliotte said on Monday’s 32 Thoughts, there’s something systematically wrong in Buffalo. Maybe Cozens can be a different player when he comes here, but I’m not overpaying for him.
Frost & Cozens have pretty much identical points per game avg for this year plus last year.
Frost ppg – .546. Cozens ppg – .555.
Frost accomplished this with an avg time on ice a full 2 minutes less than Cozens, approximately 15:45 to 17:45.
Frost makes 2.1 Mil. Cozens makes 7.1 Mil.
One of the most important factors in building a winning team is managing your cap – not overpaying in relation to production.
To be fair – Cozens is 1.75 years younger than Frost.
Cozens seems like a risk.
I’d give up one of our firsts, a player like Farabee or Brink and a second or b level prospect to get him.
The question you have to ask is, will R first from Edmonton, be able to get us a player who could be a number one center? My thought is no, whereas cousins could be that number one center for Michkov long term.
I would be all over it. I think he has 1C potential, and even if he doesn’t hit it, I’d feel great about him as the 2C long term. The cap number looks big now, but this is an uncharacteristically bad year for Cozens. And more importantly, with the cap skyrocketing in the coming years, $7 mil will be very standard value for a 2C.
My big question is what can we offer Buffalo? Our best assets are futures – we have all those first and second round picks. I can’t imagine a team like Buffalo, going on more than a decade without a playoff berth, sees much value in mid first and early second round picks.
I like Cozens more than Zegras or Rossi at this point. I’m worried Zegras was a flash in the pan and his injuries might catch up to him and Rossi is still needs development. I’m not convinced Rossi will move either. Both are also small, which wouldn’t bother me if most of the Flyers’ wingers weren’t also small.
Cozens has scored 31 goals and 68 points in a season and is 6’3”. Not sure he’s a definite 1C but I believe he’s the best available.
Risto?
Hmm…guy that scored almost 70 at 21 or guy who still hasn’t scored above 50 points a season and is 25 and has no future on the team….hmmmmm….hmmmmmm
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I’m not sure about the player but where the flyers are looking to draft (teens), we won’t find that many potential 1Cs. So I love the thought process.
I honestly haven’t watched a lot of him, but it seems like from a lot of the contracts signed last offseason (chandler Stephenson) 7 million is the going rate for a decent number 2 center.
With that in mind, and his chance to become a 1c, I’m kind of ok with it.
But again the big fear is I haven’t watched a lot of him play and the fact that he’s available for trade from the team that knows him the most
I hate when everyone jumps on every potential trade candidate, but…let’s get him Danny.
Is Buffalo retaining any salary?
Yeah I’d definitely go for it. Frost+ late first plus some salary to Buffalo?
Has their been any word on Johansen contract dispute?
I’d want a multi player deal. If it’s something like Frost, Farabee, a 1st and a 2nd, then one more piece has to come and it shouldn’t be insignificant. At the very least, Cozens and maybe you can convince Buffalo to give up one of Kulich or Rosen.
He’s the thing with Cozens and Frost. Both guys have been fundamentally broken by their respective organizations. If you’re the Flyers, you better be right that Tortorella and company can fix the issues that plague Cozens because let’s be honest, the Flyers do not have a good track record at all with player development.
A trade for Cozens is intriguing, but it’s a real big risk for this club to take. I’m not sure if they’re at that point yet to make this sort of trade without it setting back the franchise if it doesn’t pan out.
He’s a bet but he’s a better bet than guys like Frost or Farabee imo. He has shown he can be productive on a shitty team, even if he’s also struggled recently. Not to mention he adds some size to our top lines that we desperately need.
I think he’s a guy who’s worth the risk if the price is right
I’m good. It’s not time for the team to start adding pieces, and definitely not overpriced ones. We’re still a few years away from getting out from under a couple bad contracts, let’s not take on more while we do it.
If we’re taking chances on young centers, I’d try to pry someone like Brad Lambert from the Jets. He’d give you the same punchers chance without being locked into a 7 million cap hit. Since they’re in a win window, you might be able to flip a player and pick for him.
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Do it, look what happens when players leave buffalo recently they win cups
I think we’re further along the rebuild than anticipated, and really need centres. So in that case, I think I’d be willing to do Frost and one of EDM or COL 1sts. However, with a Sabres team that’s desperate for stability and culture, I wonder if we could ever package picks and Laughton. Unlikely, I know, but I still wonder if Frost could find a place on this team if he isn’t forced to play out of his depth.
Fuck that, everyone hates that dude. I don’t want him here.
I was like yes, then saw his contract and was like hell no. I do though think he’s got talent, he is fast and has scored 30 goals one season and had 68 points. I feel his size, speed and overall game could fit better I. The Flyers system and the coaches could help his overall game. If we could get them to retain some of his salary I’d say go for it.
I’d be fine if we can get Cozens, if we can Buffalo to eat 50% of the cap space. I think Torts could work his magic get him to round back to form.
Hard no
I like Cozens and we could do worse but not sure I’d trade for him.
I’d be calling Los Angeles about Quinton Byfield. His deployment there has been very limiting and he’s exactly the kind of physical center this team needs. With better deployment he can be a scorer also.
I don’t watch a lot of Sabres games. But I just watched a highlight package and I don’t get the sense he plays fast or physical enough to fit the way this Flyers team plays. Any Sabres fans here who can vouch for his style of play?
I’d do it in a heartbeat. At his worst he’s as good as Frost and at his best he’s a legitimate first line caliber player. He’d immediately upgrade our center situation and size down the middle. Just imagining what a competent coaching staff and having MM or TK on the wing could do for this kid.
I like cozens for 2 reasons, I watched him play here in lethbridge. And I’ve been on the ice with him and talked with him. So that would be kinda cool to have him. However I agree he’s too much of a risk tbh, yes he needs a new team and yes he MIGHT get back to bring 70+ points but still
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I think he shouldn’t command much of a return given his contract and level of play currently. High risk high reward move in general. I think we probably don’t need to rush into this trade and end up with another Kevin Hayes is my thought
Depends what they are asking for. Probably at least a 1st rounder. Like Myrtetus said on Flyers Daily this week and Elliotte said on Monday’s 32 Thoughts, there’s something systematically wrong in Buffalo. Maybe Cozens can be a different player when he comes here, but I’m not overpaying for him.
Frost & Cozens have pretty much identical points per game avg for this year plus last year.
Frost ppg – .546.
Cozens ppg – .555.
Frost accomplished this with an avg time on ice a full 2 minutes less than Cozens, approximately 15:45 to 17:45.
Frost makes 2.1 Mil.
Cozens makes 7.1 Mil.
One of the most important factors in building a winning team is managing your cap – not overpaying in relation to production.
To be fair – Cozens is 1.75 years younger than Frost.
Cozens seems like a risk.
I’d give up one of our firsts, a player like Farabee or Brink and a second or b level prospect to get him.
The question you have to ask is, will R first from Edmonton, be able to get us a player who could be a number one center? My thought is no, whereas cousins could be that number one center for Michkov long term.
I would be all over it. I think he has 1C potential, and even if he doesn’t hit it, I’d feel great about him as the 2C long term. The cap number looks big now, but this is an uncharacteristically bad year for Cozens. And more importantly, with the cap skyrocketing in the coming years, $7 mil will be very standard value for a 2C.
My big question is what can we offer Buffalo? Our best assets are futures – we have all those first and second round picks. I can’t imagine a team like Buffalo, going on more than a decade without a playoff berth, sees much value in mid first and early second round picks.
I like Cozens more than Zegras or Rossi at this point. I’m worried Zegras was a flash in the pan and his injuries might catch up to him and Rossi is still needs development. I’m not convinced Rossi will move either. Both are also small, which wouldn’t bother me if most of the Flyers’ wingers weren’t also small.
Cozens has scored 31 goals and 68 points in a season and is 6’3”. Not sure he’s a definite 1C but I believe he’s the best available.
Risto?
Hmm…guy that scored almost 70 at 21 or guy who still hasn’t scored above 50 points a season and is 25 and has no future on the team….hmmmmm….hmmmmmm
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I’m not sure about the player but where the flyers are looking to draft (teens), we won’t find that many potential 1Cs. So I love the thought process.
I honestly haven’t watched a lot of him, but it seems like from a lot of the contracts signed last offseason (chandler Stephenson) 7 million is the going rate for a decent number 2 center.
With that in mind, and his chance to become a 1c, I’m kind of ok with it.
But again the big fear is I haven’t watched a lot of him play and the fact that he’s available for trade from the team that knows him the most
I hate when everyone jumps on every potential trade candidate, but…let’s get him Danny.
Is Buffalo retaining any salary?
Yeah I’d definitely go for it. Frost+ late first plus some salary to Buffalo?
Has their been any word on Johansen contract dispute?
I’d want a multi player deal. If it’s something like Frost, Farabee, a 1st and a 2nd, then one more piece has to come and it shouldn’t be insignificant. At the very least, Cozens and maybe you can convince Buffalo to give up one of Kulich or Rosen.
He’s the thing with Cozens and Frost. Both guys have been fundamentally broken by their respective organizations. If you’re the Flyers, you better be right that Tortorella and company can fix the issues that plague Cozens because let’s be honest, the Flyers do not have a good track record at all with player development.
A trade for Cozens is intriguing, but it’s a real big risk for this club to take. I’m not sure if they’re at that point yet to make this sort of trade without it setting back the franchise if it doesn’t pan out.
He’s a bet but he’s a better bet than guys like Frost or Farabee imo. He has shown he can be productive on a shitty team, even if he’s also struggled recently. Not to mention he adds some size to our top lines that we desperately need.
I think he’s a guy who’s worth the risk if the price is right
I’m good. It’s not time for the team to start adding pieces, and definitely not overpriced ones. We’re still a few years away from getting out from under a couple bad contracts, let’s not take on more while we do it.
If we’re taking chances on young centers, I’d try to pry someone like Brad Lambert from the Jets. He’d give you the same punchers chance without being locked into a 7 million cap hit. Since they’re in a win window, you might be able to flip a player and pick for him.
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Do it, look what happens when players leave buffalo recently they win cups
I think we’re further along the rebuild than anticipated, and really need centres. So in that case, I think I’d be willing to do Frost and one of EDM or COL 1sts. However, with a Sabres team that’s desperate for stability and culture, I wonder if we could ever package picks and Laughton. Unlikely, I know, but I still wonder if Frost could find a place on this team if he isn’t forced to play out of his depth.
Fuck that, everyone hates that dude. I don’t want him here.
I was like yes, then saw his contract and was like hell no. I do though think he’s got talent, he is fast and has scored 30 goals one season and had 68 points. I feel his size, speed and overall game could fit better I. The Flyers system and the coaches could help his overall game. If we could get them to retain some of his salary I’d say go for it.
I’d be fine if we can get Cozens, if we can Buffalo to eat 50% of the cap space. I think Torts could work his magic get him to round back to form.
Hard no
I like Cozens and we could do worse but not sure I’d trade for him.
I’d be calling Los Angeles about Quinton Byfield. His deployment there has been very limiting and he’s exactly the kind of physical center this team needs. With better deployment he can be a scorer also.
I don’t watch a lot of Sabres games. But I just watched a highlight package and I don’t get the sense he plays fast or physical enough to fit the way this Flyers team plays. Any Sabres fans here who can vouch for his style of play?
I’d do it in a heartbeat. At his worst he’s as good as Frost and at his best he’s a legitimate first line caliber player. He’d immediately upgrade our center situation and size down the middle. Just imagining what a competent coaching staff and having MM or TK on the wing could do for this kid.
I like cozens for 2 reasons, I watched him play here in lethbridge. And I’ve been on the ice with him and talked with him. So that would be kinda cool to have him. However I agree he’s too much of a risk tbh, yes he needs a new team and yes he MIGHT get back to bring 70+ points but still