Steve Yzerman’s Red Wings Rebuild Has Succeeded So Far (article, no paywall) – The Hockey Writers
December 16, 2024
Steve Yzerman’s Red Wings Rebuild Has Succeeded So Far (article, no paywall) – The Hockey Writers
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I am sure glad we have all these playoff series wins to show for the success
A potential 10+ year rebuild is considered successful? Damn. You think we could make the playoffs once just by luck. Considering it’s extremely easy to make the playoffs in the NHL and NBA
FiRe YzErMaN!!!! Right sub??? We should fire Yzerman?
So, the rebuild ends when Larkin retires?
I dunno man. This shit is frustrating.
I honestly don’t see the rebuild ending anytime soon. If you look at the past cup winners, all of them have some kind of generational or elite talent. This is something the Wings have desperately needed, but haven’t been able to draft. Even when they were finishing near the bottom, they just never won the draft lottery to pick up a generational player. The closest we got was when we picked Raymond 4th and he is coming into his own for sure. I just don’t know how generational he will be from a talent perspective.
If the goal is no playoff appearances in 7 years, sure.
Lmao.
I don’t think we are where we wanted to be, which is a bit different than calling it a failure.
If it were a failure you would want to fire Yzerman and rebuild. I don’t know how you could look at our young guys and our pipeline and not like what you’re seeing.
I think we would all like to see improvement in the FA signings.
Congratulatory handshakes all around!
I’ll never understand these comments. The desire a large portion of the fanbase has to be an annual first round exit is very confusing to me. Just have patience or end up like an organization like the flyers.
The audacity to justify a bunch of bad moves from pick selections to pro scouting to FA signings to coaching. There are many more wrongs than rights but somehow, some of these nuts are defending this management is just mind boggling. I love Stevie Y as a legend he was, but so was Gretzky. He tried coaching Yotes, but it didn’t work out.
Successful rebuild/retool examples are Leafs, Kings, Avs, Stars.. to some degree, Caps..
Go back to your expectations when Stevie was hired. Did you say to yourself that in year 6, we will struggle to string 2 wins together, will have 3 of his draft picks on main roster, 1 forward line and 1 D pairing to hang your hat on and will call it a successful operation at that time? If you say yes, then your expectations are way too low.. too low for NHL, too low for Steve, too low from an organization that saw 25 consecutive playoffs.
Well it sure is kinda poopy rn
Anyone complaining about FA signings needs to go back and reread point #4. Wanna know the difference between us and Buffalo? Actual leadership from established pros instead of relying on numerous kids magically taking a huge leap in their maturity and skill.
The guy can handle the draft but at some point you need to do more than that to build a complete roster. Based on what we’ve seen so far I don’t have a ton of faith they can do that.
3 more frustrating seasons I would guess, then something will pop. He ain’t building for a “ quick” window, like a lot of other teams shoot for. ( Rangers…etc…). Short playoff run daggers seem more painful.
But bald man bad amirite?
I actually read this, this morning and was surprised at just how shitty Holland left this team. I mean i knew how bad it was, but didnt realize on paper it was much worse. Do I wish we were better now? Yes. Do I wish our rebuild was done? Yes. But I also am a realist and despite all the shitty radio personal takes, Yzerman is doing the rebuild with the draft, hoping to land a prized player like Kucherov.
Not anti yzerplan but how exactly?
I completely understand everyone’s frustrations with the Yzerplan at this current moment. It feels like we’re cycling through phases of mediocrity, this season and last (apart from the end of it) which is a way of saying we’re underperforming. However, I still have full confidence in Stevie Y. If you put into perspective how off the rails Holland went to keep Detroit’s playoff streak afloat at the end of his tenure (bad contracts/bad trades/0 top prospects drafted), I’d say this right where we should be, maybe even better off then we should be.
Prioritizing the rebuild with a load of prospects was/is absolutely the key and having the second best prospect pool in the league only gives me more confidence for the future (let’s see if this bites me in a couple years). Stevie Y deserves a lot of credit for whatever is coming of these players. The only big disappointment has been in our signings- with vets and ‘3rd liners’ that haven’t had the impact we needed them to have. Nothing too much to say on the matter, if a player isn’t performing to the level we need after risking it for them- bummer. That being said, I’m looking forward to the January trade deadline to see if we can snag another defenseman. I’m also okay with losing a third-fourth line forward.
We’ve finished each seasons with more points since his signing and this year is looking to be a little off the mark compared to last, but let’s see if we can catch a string of Ws instead of constantly being in the boat of ‘win one, lose two, win two, lose three’, etc. I know 7, going on 8, years of a rebuild sucks, but it’s moving the right direction still. Only time will tell but I’m still optimistic.
The what’s next was horrible. Just go out and grab one or two top 6 forwards and a top 6 defence?
Nothing mentioned about the coach
We have chariot and Holl a gain next year, ASP looks good but who knows how quick he’ll be in the lineup/be good
We still have Copp for another 2 year.
The only goalie we have signed for next year is 37, I’m a huge fan of Cossa but goalie timelines are generally long
We never seemed to weponize our cap space mainly because we never had room
I can see us making the playoffs in a few years but we need to hit a home run in the draft and that’s luck
I’m okay with most of what you said. But if we get to year like 10-12-15 and we still haven’t made the playoffs the Steve bot and positive comments defending him need to stop tbh.
I don’t like the free agent acquisitions, but ultimately they don’t matter. The teams window is in three years, and everyone we complain about will be off the books by then
The only move I really don’t like is the Walman trade. We gave up a pick when we should’ve kept him and traded him for a pick. I have heard speculation on the Winged Wheel podcast that SJ might get a first for him. That type of draft capital loss actually does matter in three years
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I am sure glad we have all these playoff series wins to show for the success
A potential 10+ year rebuild is considered successful? Damn. You think we could make the playoffs once just by luck. Considering it’s extremely easy to make the playoffs in the NHL and NBA
FiRe YzErMaN!!!! Right sub??? We should fire Yzerman?
So, the rebuild ends when Larkin retires?
I dunno man. This shit is frustrating.
I honestly don’t see the rebuild ending anytime soon. If you look at the past cup winners, all of them have some kind of generational or elite talent. This is something the Wings have desperately needed, but haven’t been able to draft. Even when they were finishing near the bottom, they just never won the draft lottery to pick up a generational player. The closest we got was when we picked Raymond 4th and he is coming into his own for sure. I just don’t know how generational he will be from a talent perspective.
If the goal is no playoff appearances in 7 years, sure.
Lmao.
I don’t think we are where we wanted to be, which is a bit different than calling it a failure.
If it were a failure you would want to fire Yzerman and rebuild. I don’t know how you could look at our young guys and our pipeline and not like what you’re seeing.
I think we would all like to see improvement in the FA signings.
Congratulatory handshakes all around!
I’ll never understand these comments. The desire a large portion of the fanbase has to be an annual first round exit is very confusing to me. Just have patience or end up like an organization like the flyers.
The audacity to justify a bunch of bad moves from pick selections to pro scouting to FA signings to coaching. There are many more wrongs than rights but somehow, some of these nuts are defending this management is just mind boggling. I love Stevie Y as a legend he was, but so was Gretzky. He tried coaching Yotes, but it didn’t work out.
Successful rebuild/retool examples are Leafs, Kings, Avs, Stars.. to some degree, Caps..
Go back to your expectations when Stevie was hired. Did you say to yourself that in year 6, we will struggle to string 2 wins together, will have 3 of his draft picks on main roster, 1 forward line and 1 D pairing to hang your hat on and will call it a successful operation at that time? If you say yes, then your expectations are way too low.. too low for NHL, too low for Steve, too low from an organization that saw 25 consecutive playoffs.
Well it sure is kinda poopy rn
Anyone complaining about FA signings needs to go back and reread point #4. Wanna know the difference between us and Buffalo? Actual leadership from established pros instead of relying on numerous kids magically taking a huge leap in their maturity and skill.
The guy can handle the draft but at some point you need to do more than that to build a complete roster. Based on what we’ve seen so far I don’t have a ton of faith they can do that.
3 more frustrating seasons I would guess, then something will pop. He ain’t building for a “ quick” window, like a lot of other teams shoot for. ( Rangers…etc…). Short playoff run daggers seem more painful.
But bald man bad amirite?
I actually read this, this morning and was surprised at just how shitty Holland left this team. I mean i knew how bad it was, but didnt realize on paper it was much worse. Do I wish we were better now? Yes. Do I wish our rebuild was done? Yes. But I also am a realist and despite all the shitty radio personal takes, Yzerman is doing the rebuild with the draft, hoping to land a prized player like Kucherov.
Not anti yzerplan but how exactly?
I completely understand everyone’s frustrations with the Yzerplan at this current moment. It feels like we’re cycling through phases of mediocrity, this season and last (apart from the end of it) which is a way of saying we’re underperforming. However, I still have full confidence in Stevie Y. If you put into perspective how off the rails Holland went to keep Detroit’s playoff streak afloat at the end of his tenure (bad contracts/bad trades/0 top prospects drafted), I’d say this right where we should be, maybe even better off then we should be.
Prioritizing the rebuild with a load of prospects was/is absolutely the key and having the second best prospect pool in the league only gives me more confidence for the future (let’s see if this bites me in a couple years). Stevie Y deserves a lot of credit for whatever is coming of these players. The only big disappointment has been in our signings- with vets and ‘3rd liners’ that haven’t had the impact we needed them to have. Nothing too much to say on the matter, if a player isn’t performing to the level we need after risking it for them- bummer. That being said, I’m looking forward to the January trade deadline to see if we can snag another defenseman. I’m also okay with losing a third-fourth line forward.
We’ve finished each seasons with more points since his signing and this year is looking to be a little off the mark compared to last, but let’s see if we can catch a string of Ws instead of constantly being in the boat of ‘win one, lose two, win two, lose three’, etc. I know 7, going on 8, years of a rebuild sucks, but it’s moving the right direction still. Only time will tell but I’m still optimistic.
The what’s next was horrible. Just go out and grab one or two top 6 forwards and a top 6 defence?
Nothing mentioned about the coach
We have chariot and Holl a gain next year, ASP looks good but who knows how quick he’ll be in the lineup/be good
We still have Copp for another 2 year.
The only goalie we have signed for next year is 37, I’m a huge fan of Cossa but goalie timelines are generally long
We never seemed to weponize our cap space mainly because we never had room
I can see us making the playoffs in a few years but we need to hit a home run in the draft and that’s luck
I’m okay with most of what you said. But if we get to year like 10-12-15 and we still haven’t made the playoffs the Steve bot and positive comments defending him need to stop tbh.
I don’t like the free agent acquisitions, but ultimately they don’t matter. The teams window is in three years, and everyone we complain about will be off the books by then
The only move I really don’t like is the Walman trade. We gave up a pick when we should’ve kept him and traded him for a pick. I have heard speculation on the Winged Wheel podcast that SJ might get a first for him. That type of draft capital loss actually does matter in three years