Weak Core?! | Why Dennis Allen, Saints Lack Necessary Pieces For Long-Term Success!!

Weak Core?! | Why Dennis Allen, Saints Lack Necessary Pieces For Long-Term Success!!

what up T-Bob here and Jake as well and look at you you done stumbled upon little OTB Saints where we bring you all the latest black and gold coverage who are the Saints going to draft who’s going to be their quarterback what does the salary cap look like all that information and more hope you enjoy it like subscribe a couple of saints thoughts here and um look one one one one article that uh we we had in the document today was all about elante Taylor is he underappreciated you know we spent so much time talking about Latimore about Paulson adbo uh now Kool-Aid mckinstry um alante Taylor’s been really good uh my my thing is I don’t really care about any of the individuals in the secondary right now um as we’ve said I think that when you look at those four corners the Saints are primed to have a top 10 maybe a top five probably a top five uh if everybody says healthy top five cornerback room in the entire league it creates great competition and forces everybody to be at their best in terms of who’s going to win the jobs in the outside um you have a lot of Versatility there in terms of who will be the nickel will it be Taylor will it be mckinstry and then who tries to find playing time where they can like I think that is going to be the core uh group of this team going forward into this season it’s probably the best position group on the team um but then that got me thinking about something else and so did a New Orleans Stu football article Jake and that is who are who is who are I don’t know which one’s correct who bees who who bees the of this Saints team right like during 17 to you of course you had the very famous 2006 draft yeah which gave you like Stree coulston um uh Reggie Bush uh Pierre Thomas everybody else that would go on to be this this this core Drew Brees that you thought of uh that’s your game right that you thought of forever as being like wow I I freaking love these guys seven you had the 17 draft or you got KRA ramch Cam Jordan had fully come into his own by that time like uh Marcus coulston Mike Thomas uh you know Coulson for the old group Thomas for the new one um you look now you’re you’re seven years removed from that 17 draft and who do you have those same emotions about you don’t feel great about cim anymore and you feel okay about Chris olve but somehow he’s at back-to-back thousand yards rece receiving seasons and remains kind of unexciting you know Derek Carr is not a core piece because he’s just here until he isn’t you keep drafting offensive and defensive lineman that suck I mean is Brian breaze he does not suck he would be maybe the closest him in a la and why don’t you feel the same way you used to feel about those other guy is is it simply because they’re not winning as much but I mean even that old core that 06 core they had seven and N Seasons but still remain beloved it’s just I I I don’t you know what you had to fall back on Drew Brees Breeze and painon Breeze and painon and that’s why you felt different about it yeah because even in a Seven and n Season you’re like it’s fine Drew get back on track and and sometimes it was a def defense during that run obviously yeah it was always exciting offensive football if nothing else and so I think that’s like it’s hard to have a core when you don’t have the core piece at the core position it’s just that’s the way that it is look around the NFL and teams that you feel good about name me one that you’re like I love their core that’s got a quarterback that’s not going to be the future it’s just it’s a it’s a hard conversation that like look at the Steelers right it’s like oh Russell Wilson is he really but like the Steelers have nice pieces yeah but we don’t have that conversation because well you don’t feel great about where they’re at at quarterback it’s like they’re searching you get Justin field which okay maybe like it’s not Russ I don’t know like they feel like they’re in purgatory probably a little bit like we could go across the league the Giants same situation like Malik neighbors and and you’ve got you know some pieces that you feel good about but it’s like we’re not going to talk about because Daniel Jones is the quarterback I guess you’re right and when the quarterback doesn’t work then nothing works right then a guy like saquon Barkley who if you did have a good quarterback would have ended up being a a core guy in New York that people felt great about instead he’s now in Philly um huh so it’s like it’s like everything else in football Jake just goes back to quarterback y that that’s as good of a hypothesis I thought it maybe all went back to winning and just not winning enough and that’s definitely an element as well but to your point the Steelers do win and yeah you got like cam Hayward and I’m sure that Steelers fans would have their gu say no this we yeah but but still but it’s not like uh TJ watt but it’s yeah maybe they do have a bit more the Saints I don’t even know if they have that many amount of guys maybe Brae gets to be that maybe alive gets to be that uh TM Hill would be a guy that I would say I feel pretty great about I think but the emotions are just different nowadays yeah and I think where your emotions where where you’re having some trouble connecting is Caesar Ruiz first round pick okay Ryan Ram you had it for a long time but now might not play football again you don’t have it pton Turner first round pick absolutely nothing there um you go across like marshan Latimore was a first round pick so maybe you throw him into like but there’s like all the he was kind of already and he was already kind of like he to your point when you had Breeze he was he was a part of that core like with C with a young CH and everybody else that that was that 13 or excuse me that 2017 draft or you just absolutely hit it out the park and then Trevor Penning another first round pick creates no emotion for you so think of the first round pick like Caesar Ruiz Trevor Penning Payton Turner does that do any that’s three first round picks does that do anything for you no no nothing at all you’ve had some misses and Brian B has been so far I think he’s been a good player I think he can only get better he plays a a position that’s not going to get a lot of fanfare and still he’s not a full-time starter yeah so I think it’s with your first round picks that’s why you don’t have a lot of fanfare that’s why you don’t have maybe the core that you feel really good about again like fuaga being like I think he’s gonna be a really good player we’ll have to see is that somebody that’s going to potentially change the narrative yeah look I mean it took 11 years from 06 to 17 to hit on another one of those home run drafts that ended up becoming an era defining draft um I wonder when the next one will be as we are now seven years removed um how do you feel about the things who would you say are we are we off base here right like no I love I love uh I mean like yeah like I love Demario Davis but yeah I think you nailed the takee without a quarterback it just feels like the long-term Hope just that there kind of isn’t any there and so guys like Davis start to feel like these these really special almost rentals of sorts as opposed to guys you can really get your roots into also DAV is a key member of the kind of the the run that you had there at the end of the Jour now I do love the defensive back room that’s what we started this conversation with Paulson adbo is a third rounder uh alante Taylor was a second rounder Jordan Howen was a fifth rounder and he look he played so well that you got rid of Marcus may now Marcus May was not a good football player in New Orleans but you moved on from him after getting giving him a big contract and so you’ve hit in that room you hope you hit on koola McKenry as a second round pick so if you have what we’re talking about here it’s probably going to come from that and you also have tyer Matthew still there playing at a high level you still got marshan as we talked about playing at a high level it’s going to have to come from from probably that room if you want to create a core it’s going to be in New Orleans for five years and play at a very high level because you’ve missed on the defensive line you’ve certainly missed on the offensive line in the draft and it’s not coming from there and it’s it ain’t coming from quarterback right now well all will be solved when Derek Carr becomes the top 12 quarterback this fall thanks to Clint kubak uh again I hope and pray that you’re right because the Saints are better it helps everything around here I know I’m right wow just amazing black and gold takes right there Jake I don’t think I’ve ever heard any takes that are better than the two guys that just gave you that take and you can keep getting them by going ahead and liking subscribing ringing the bell to get notifications when we post have a great day we’ll see you on the next OTB say for

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