It’s alarming to me that we’re almost 7 weeks into the season and basically every WR on the Patriots has already publicly expressed some level of displeasure with the offense or their role (or lack thereof). I’m trying to give AVP grace but the early returns have not been great.
October 17, 2024
It’s alarming to me that we’re almost 7 weeks into the season and basically every WR on the Patriots has already publicly expressed some level of displeasure with the offense or their role (or lack thereof). I’m trying to give AVP grace but the early returns have not been great.
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AVP was literally their 12th choice and would not have been hired as OC anywhere else in the NFL. This news is not surprising unfortunately.
AVP was in a tough spot with bad offensive personnel, but he’s running a damn JV level offense in the NFL the guy is absolutely clueless his scheme couldn’t be more basic and outdated it’s like he doesn’t watch other teams around the league
I mean I’ve had my complaints about his play calling too but let’s wait to see how this looks with a few weeks of Maye starting.
Hard to fully judge with Brissett and this oline.
Boutte’s comments about wanting to be more aggressive speaks volumes.
I’m not a fan of Van Pelt at all, but this seems pretty dumb when it includes Reagor and Tyquan complaining because they sucked and couldn’t play. Polk might be being misused, but it’s also not on the OC when he drops wide open passes. It’s early for Baker, but his complaint is also his inability to make it onto the field.
The Pop and Boutte complaints are the only valid ones, and Pop seemed happy when Drake was out there.
People on this sub are so reactionary. We’re 6 games on and only 1 into the Maye era. Let’s see how things evolve over the season before drawing conclusions.
Let’s wait another week before this type of post. Did people not see the offense improve in less than 5 days of Maye being the starter?
They should just be quiet and put up with it imo
Maye gives them what they want. Hard to make every (or any) WR happy when you are completing fewer than 16 passes per game (and conservative ones at that). Not nearly enough to go around.
The offense is more pass-forward under Maye and he’s less conservative with his reads. The receivers should be placated.
That said we also have a lot of similarly skilled receivers and with no passing game, few have really separated themselves from the pack. With 7 WRs and no clear starters, we have big rotations going.
AVP is here to develop the QB he’s not a 30 year old savant play caller… Mayes fundamental understanding of how to play the position is being developed by AVP. This offensive roster is dogshit he deserves time. After year 3 we can accurately judge the new regime. We need patience.
Breaking news: Team not playing well has players that aren’t happy. More at 10.
I mean brisett was the starter for all this time, obviously he’s extremely limited in what he can do
A few games with maye as the starter and then we’ll see if avp changes his play calling to better suit the new qb
I certainly haven’t been a fan of AVP and his conservative play calling and design, but look at who is complaining here as well.
Rookies that can’t catch the ball and WRs that are lucky to be on a team in the first place.
If they do move on from AVP after this year they just need to pay and get a commitment from a top OC.
I really liked Liam Coen for the Pats. But after one season as OC in Tampa he’s going to already be looking at HC jobs next year.
If the Patriots move on from AVP they need to replace him with someone that will be here for at least 2-3 years.
None of our WRs have accomplished anything at the NFL level. Most of them weren’t even that good in college, Polk wearing the #1 is kind of hilarious given he was WR2 at the University of Washington. They should focus on being excellent teammates and locker room guys because that’s how players with marginal talent stay on rosters for an extra year.
As far as AVP, he’s disappointing like everything else about this team, but I still think his scheme is a decent fit for Maye in theory so until a better option comes along we may as well stick with him.
AVP has been horrible with clock management and situational football. Brisset and an O line doesn’t change that
Has any player complained in the past week?
AVP’s schemes are lacking, but they’re enough for a good QB to drop the Texan’s season high in pass yards and TDs allowed
I think 2 things can be true: 1. The general consensus from reporters is that Maye’s fundamentals are light years ahead of where he was in camp and we need to give AVP credit for his development plan. 2. AVP has had multiple series where his situational playcalling has been abysmal and predictable.
Whether AVP can grow into his current role as playcaller by the end of the season is an open question. It seems like his philosophy does not involve as much chipping and double teaming of elite pass rushers as we have seen in the past and at times that has led to increased pressure given our current level of O line talent.
We really posting anyone’s tweets these days huh?
Meh I think most of that is forgotten now that Maye is in. If it continues then sure, then I’ll be concerned.
Sorry, are the mods just going to allow people to post Twitter takes from randos with (in this case) less than 3,000 followers? This is the first time I’ve seen a post like this.
If so, this would be a very very very bad idea for the quality of this sub.
I mean what did anyone expect from a journeyman who never called plays and was the pats 12th choice?
So my thinking based on some other comments I’ve read from the WR’s and not being able to do all they’d like is that Mayo did say this year was about seeing what they’ve got. So maybe they’re running a stripped down offense to give rooks time to mesh and develop chemistry and see what they’ve got. It’s frustrating as fans and probably also as dynamic players, but maybe they’re just wanting to make sure that all the rooks have the same opportunity to prove they should stay by simplifying the playbook and seeing who responds best on effort, preparation, and practice?
I admit this is a mildly educated WAG at best. Maybe even an educated wish.
I imagine it’ll improve as Drake plays more.
We cannot evaluate this offense fully until the end of the year. The rest of the season is culling the useless and elevating the right people
Well duh. No credible OC wanted the job. Hopefully Maye and company will be able to entice a decent OC to come here
As far as I’m concerned, this was the first game of AVP’s career here. I don’t really give a fuck that he couldn’t do much with a fucking terrible QB and a O-Line full of JAGs. The only thing that matters is how he helps Maye’s development in the offense, and we’ll see how he does there.
Week 7? It’s week 2
Mayo needs to stop them from saying these things or to make sure everything stays in house. Otherwise, we’re gonna be a circus like the Jets and Cowboys every year.
Can we not continue the revolving door of OC’s. Maybe part of the problem is we don’t stick with one long enough for it to work. I say give AVP 2 years.
I think last game most of the WRs were happy. The issue was partly because of Brissett.
I think the bigger takeaway from public complaints about player roles is a lack of control of the locker room. You can be a complete shit team but if you have the respect of the players they will run through a wall for you and that pays dividends down the road when you finally get that player development and fill in those gaps in the roster. When you have players questioning you publicly it shows a real lack of respect and accountability.
# i am once again asking that sources be put in the title
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AVP was literally their 12th choice and would not have been hired as OC anywhere else in the NFL. This news is not surprising unfortunately.
AVP was in a tough spot with bad offensive personnel, but he’s running a damn JV level offense in the NFL the guy is absolutely clueless his scheme couldn’t be more basic and outdated it’s like he doesn’t watch other teams around the league
I mean I’ve had my complaints about his play calling too but let’s wait to see how this looks with a few weeks of Maye starting.
Hard to fully judge with Brissett and this oline.
Boutte’s comments about wanting to be more aggressive speaks volumes.
I’m not a fan of Van Pelt at all, but this seems pretty dumb when it includes Reagor and Tyquan complaining because they sucked and couldn’t play. Polk might be being misused, but it’s also not on the OC when he drops wide open passes. It’s early for Baker, but his complaint is also his inability to make it onto the field.
The Pop and Boutte complaints are the only valid ones, and Pop seemed happy when Drake was out there.
People on this sub are so reactionary. We’re 6 games on and only 1 into the Maye era. Let’s see how things evolve over the season before drawing conclusions.
Let’s wait another week before this type of post. Did people not see the offense improve in less than 5 days of Maye being the starter?
They should just be quiet and put up with it imo
Maye gives them what they want. Hard to make every (or any) WR happy when you are completing fewer than 16 passes per game (and conservative ones at that). Not nearly enough to go around.
The offense is more pass-forward under Maye and he’s less conservative with his reads. The receivers should be placated.
That said we also have a lot of similarly skilled receivers and with no passing game, few have really separated themselves from the pack. With 7 WRs and no clear starters, we have big rotations going.
AVP is here to develop the QB he’s not a 30 year old savant play caller… Mayes fundamental understanding of how to play the position is being developed by AVP. This offensive roster is dogshit he deserves time. After year 3 we can accurately judge the new regime. We need patience.
Breaking news: Team not playing well has players that aren’t happy. More at 10.
I mean brisett was the starter for all this time, obviously he’s extremely limited in what he can do
A few games with maye as the starter and then we’ll see if avp changes his play calling to better suit the new qb
I certainly haven’t been a fan of AVP and his conservative play calling and design, but look at who is complaining here as well.
Rookies that can’t catch the ball and WRs that are lucky to be on a team in the first place.
If they do move on from AVP after this year they just need to pay and get a commitment from a top OC.
I really liked Liam Coen for the Pats. But after one season as OC in Tampa he’s going to already be looking at HC jobs next year.
If the Patriots move on from AVP they need to replace him with someone that will be here for at least 2-3 years.
None of our WRs have accomplished anything at the NFL level. Most of them weren’t even that good in college, Polk wearing the #1 is kind of hilarious given he was WR2 at the University of Washington. They should focus on being excellent teammates and locker room guys because that’s how players with marginal talent stay on rosters for an extra year.
As far as AVP, he’s disappointing like everything else about this team, but I still think his scheme is a decent fit for Maye in theory so until a better option comes along we may as well stick with him.
AVP has been horrible with clock management and situational football. Brisset and an O line doesn’t change that
Has any player complained in the past week?
AVP’s schemes are lacking, but they’re enough for a good QB to drop the Texan’s season high in pass yards and TDs allowed
I think 2 things can be true:
1. The general consensus from reporters is that Maye’s fundamentals are light years ahead of where he was in camp and we need to give AVP credit for his development plan.
2. AVP has had multiple series where his situational playcalling has been abysmal and predictable.
Whether AVP can grow into his current role as playcaller by the end of the season is an open question. It seems like his philosophy does not involve as much chipping and double teaming of elite pass rushers as we have seen in the past and at times that has led to increased pressure given our current level of O line talent.
We really posting anyone’s tweets these days huh?
Meh I think most of that is forgotten now that Maye is in. If it continues then sure, then I’ll be concerned.
Sorry, are the mods just going to allow people to post Twitter takes from randos with (in this case) less than 3,000 followers? This is the first time I’ve seen a post like this.
If so, this would be a very very very bad idea for the quality of this sub.
I mean what did anyone expect from a journeyman who never called plays and was the pats 12th choice?
So my thinking based on some other comments I’ve read from the WR’s and not being able to do all they’d like is that Mayo did say this year was about seeing what they’ve got. So maybe they’re running a stripped down offense to give rooks time to mesh and develop chemistry and see what they’ve got. It’s frustrating as fans and probably also as dynamic players, but maybe they’re just wanting to make sure that all the rooks have the same opportunity to prove they should stay by simplifying the playbook and seeing who responds best on effort, preparation, and practice?
I admit this is a mildly educated WAG at best. Maybe even an educated wish.
I imagine it’ll improve as Drake plays more.
We cannot evaluate this offense fully until the end of the year. The rest of the season is culling the useless and elevating the right people
Well duh. No credible OC wanted the job. Hopefully Maye and company will be able to entice a decent OC to come here
As far as I’m concerned, this was the first game of AVP’s career here. I don’t really give a fuck that he couldn’t do much with a fucking terrible QB and a O-Line full of JAGs. The only thing that matters is how he helps Maye’s development in the offense, and we’ll see how he does there.
Week 7? It’s week 2
Mayo needs to stop them from saying these things or to make sure everything stays in house. Otherwise, we’re gonna be a circus like the Jets and Cowboys every year.
Can we not continue the revolving door of OC’s. Maybe part of the problem is we don’t stick with one long enough for it to work. I say give AVP 2 years.
I think last game most of the WRs were happy. The issue was partly because of Brissett.
I think the bigger takeaway from public complaints about player roles is a lack of control of the locker room. You can be a complete shit team but if you have the respect of the players they will run through a wall for you and that pays dividends down the road when you finally get that player development and fill in those gaps in the roster. When you have players questioning you publicly it shows a real lack of respect and accountability.
# i am once again asking that sources be put in the title
