[Morosi] Astros GM Dana Brown told me he’ll speak today with Justin Verlander’s agent, Mark Pieper, about a possible free-agent contract.
November 5, 2024
[Morosi] Astros GM Dana Brown told me he’ll speak today with Justin Verlander’s agent, Mark Pieper, about a possible free-agent contract.
36 comments
Let’s not do this…
For what?
He should just retire before it gets really bad
You know what, I was wrong on his decision for kikuchi. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt from here on, I can’t see it but there must be something left in the tank for verlander
Can’t strike anyone out. Lost a ton of velocity. Can’t throw strikes anymore.
Unless this is like a $1-2M deal I’d rather not.
I don’t doubt his ability to reinvent himself in the offseason. It’s just I don’t want to see him get an 8 figure deal and here “well we just didn’t have the money to fix the rest of the roster”
It better be for $1,000,000 because otherwise absolutely fucking not.
Looks like we’re shopping at Ross boys
Best guess is that Brown is looking to sign him as a and at a middle to back of rotation type of deal.
I thought he could be decent in relief? Nice veteran bullpen presence. I dunno
Brown kicking the tires on a deal isn’t a bad thing. Specifically if he can get him on the cheap, with a deal laced with incentives. If anything, he’ll be a late deadline piece to trade on a cheap contract.
Maybe a cheap one-year deal. To retire as an Astro and then offer him a position in management or on the staff as a Pitching Coach.
Give me Kikuchi
Unless he’s gonna take a significant pay cut, no thanks.
No no. We don’t want him. He’s too old.
If most of the cash is in incentives based on him being decent I’m all for it.
People thought he was washed up when he was hurt 8-10 years ago (I forget exactly when). Once they figured out what was really bothering him (his feet), it fixed his mechanics and he came back to obviously amazing form. I think it’s worth talking to him if he can return to health. I’m not totally sold that he is completely washed…but maybe injured. It shouldn’t be a huge contract, however ..
Edit: For clarification, the foot issue was causing mechanical issues which led to other body parts (like shoulder) hurting him. Took a while for them to figure out what the real cause was. This kinda feels like it might be something similar ..
Please no. Everyone knows the dude is cooked.
We need to move on
I’d rather we didn’t, but I can’t help but wonder if the org is looking at him as a future HOF and want to increase their chances of getting another astros hat in. Not saying he would or should, just not sure why other than that.
Something tells me Crane is the influencing factor on that
I personally would take the salary cap hit to give him another year here. As long as it’s not too much. It’s probably not the smartest choice but it’s what I’d like to see.
why?
Noooo!
As long as it doesn’t impact the budget on re-signing bregman.
Don’t..
If verlander takes a vet minimum, I guess that’d be okay. We cant be stuck with another contract for an overpaid, underperforming player.
**no**.
Please don’t spend the money. Let the guy retire.
I love JV to death but he really just needs hang up his cleats before the bottom fully falls out
No thanks. Let him go back to Detroit.
No.
I never wanted him back from NY. He’s washed.
Move on.
Verlander is done (throwing hard down the middle) but he can be a strong 3rd starter for maybe another 3-4 years. Verlander is an athlete and a competitor. If you want a blueprint for what he can do just look at an aging Zack Greinke. Greinke placed 4th in CY voting in his 15th season and by his 17th he appeared to have little access to his former upper level velo. Verlander won the CY in his 15th and 18th seasons. He is only a year or so away from his upper level velo. With his slider, change, and curve usage increased, an occasional 4 seamer up will be hard to catch up to. This is a savvy play by Brown, but many of us knew it was coming.
You may point to the similarity in their age, Greinke is actually 8 months younger, but JV has a much livelier arm at this age.
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36 comments
Let’s not do this…
For what?
He should just retire before it gets really bad
You know what, I was wrong on his decision for kikuchi. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt from here on, I can’t see it but there must be something left in the tank for verlander
Can’t strike anyone out. Lost a ton of velocity. Can’t throw strikes anymore.
Unless this is like a $1-2M deal I’d rather not.
I don’t doubt his ability to reinvent himself in the offseason. It’s just I don’t want to see him get an 8 figure deal and here “well we just didn’t have the money to fix the rest of the roster”
https://preview.redd.it/pognwp31q5zd1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2213ecd35a97b8ad799cd935f51b67c35fa5843d
Dana, please stop.
Move on
It better be for $1,000,000 because otherwise absolutely fucking not.
Looks like we’re shopping at Ross boys
Best guess is that Brown is looking to sign him as a and at a middle to back of rotation type of deal.
I thought he could be decent in relief? Nice veteran bullpen presence. I dunno
Brown kicking the tires on a deal isn’t a bad thing. Specifically if he can get him on the cheap, with a deal laced with incentives. If anything, he’ll be a late deadline piece to trade on a cheap contract.
Maybe a cheap one-year deal. To retire as an Astro and then offer him a position in management or on the staff as a Pitching Coach.
Give me Kikuchi
Unless he’s gonna take a significant pay cut, no thanks.
No no. We don’t want him. He’s too old.
If most of the cash is in incentives based on him being decent I’m all for it.
People thought he was washed up when he was hurt 8-10 years ago (I forget exactly when). Once they figured out what was really bothering him (his feet), it fixed his mechanics and he came back to obviously amazing form. I think it’s worth talking to him if he can return to health. I’m not totally sold that he is completely washed…but maybe injured. It shouldn’t be a huge contract, however ..
Edit: For clarification, the foot issue was causing mechanical issues which led to other body parts (like shoulder) hurting him. Took a while for them to figure out what the real cause was. This kinda feels like it might be something similar ..
Please no. Everyone knows the dude is cooked.
We need to move on
I’d rather we didn’t, but I can’t help but wonder if the org is looking at him as a future HOF and want to increase their chances of getting another astros hat in. Not saying he would or should, just not sure why other than that.
Something tells me Crane is the influencing factor on that
I personally would take the salary cap hit to give him another year here. As long as it’s not too much. It’s probably not the smartest choice but it’s what I’d like to see.
why?
Noooo!
As long as it doesn’t impact the budget on re-signing bregman.
Don’t..
If verlander takes a vet minimum, I guess that’d be okay. We cant be stuck with another contract for an overpaid, underperforming player.
**no**.
Please don’t spend the money. Let the guy retire.
I love JV to death but he really just needs hang up his cleats before the bottom fully falls out
No thanks. Let him go back to Detroit.
No.
I never wanted him back from NY. He’s washed.
Move on.
Verlander is done (throwing hard down the middle) but he can be a strong 3rd starter for maybe another 3-4 years. Verlander is an athlete and a competitor. If you want a blueprint for what he can do just look at an aging Zack Greinke. Greinke placed 4th in CY voting in his 15th season and by his 17th he appeared to have little access to his former upper level velo. Verlander won the CY in his 15th and 18th seasons. He is only a year or so away from his upper level velo. With his slider, change, and curve usage increased, an occasional 4 seamer up will be hard to catch up to. This is a savvy play by Brown, but many of us knew it was coming.
You may point to the similarity in their age, Greinke is actually 8 months younger, but JV has a much livelier arm at this age.