Pavs on staff changes, “It certainly can’t make them all that comfortable that the departures [Putila, Vielle, Schwartze] immediately were snapped up by organizations — the Rangers and Braves — that generally are thought to be among the stronger and better-run ones in baseball.”
November 7, 2024
Pavs on staff changes, “It certainly can’t make them all that comfortable that the departures [Putila, Vielle, Schwartze] immediately were snapped up by organizations — the Rangers and Braves — that generally are thought to be among the stronger and better-run ones in baseball.”
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Would like to see a wholesale gutting of the FO, not whatever this downsizing and promote the lower guys is
I want to trust the process, but I can’t deny it’s made me a little on-edge.
Snapped up into non leadership roles. Cmon.
I’m not sure I’m buying Pavlovic’s take here.
The Rangers and Braves are well-led organizations with systems that have been in place for several years. The Giants, under Buster Posey and Zack Minasian, are seeking to build a solid system, and some of that requires undoing what went wrong while Zaidi was in his role.
It shouldn’t be surprising that certain guys weren’t all that interested in sticking around to explore a new scouting/player development/analytics system and instead desired to go somewhere that was a bit more solidified.
Does it stink that the Giants lost some good individuals? Of course. Putila and Schwarze are brilliant baseball minds. They may not have worked for the Giants or maybe whatever Zaidi was doing wasn’t working for them, and it’d be interesting to have seen what they could do with a different leadership, but baseball will never pass up on talent like Putila, no matter how bad his last tenure may have been.
Best of luck to those guys. It’s time to move forward.
Don’t be scared Pavlovic
How much worse could it possibly get? Like….. really?
If we’re gonna be bad, I’d rather be “Rockies” bad than “scratch and claw to get close to .500” bad.
I love Posey and believe in him. But it’s not very reassuring that we put him as PoBO with no front office experience and a lot of our staff leaves.
Lmao
This assumes that the Giants being weaker and worse-run is not the result of these guys working in the FO. You win as a team, you lose as a team.
Bam Bam got snapped up too. Who cares. Teams love Giants discards, they think the Giants just misused them and sometimes they’re right. That doesn’t mean the Giants are losing anything if they were always going to be lousy for us.
If Vielle ends up the best hitting coach of all time, I’m good with that. He would have never done it for the Giants. I think there’s a role he could have been great, but that role wasn’t our hitting coach.
You can’t convince me that losing Viele is a bad thing
That strong Rangers org faceplanted hard last season
It might well be that the other orgs are being suckered in by people who look good on paper and are real problems in action. Viele is a good example. He’s not completely terrible but his overall effect on batting is bad and costly. Putila had years and essentially accomplished nothing—sure, Jung Hoo Lee, but one guy really isn’t enough, not even close.
No reason for Putila to accept a demotion, and Posey has signaled a change in philosophy that Viele and Schwartze might not want to enact. They’ve been mediocre, so some change has to happen on up and down the organization, or how would they improve?
Should have just let Pete GM… Vielle is only getting picked up because he worked with Donnie previously but wasn’t getting results on his own. Glad he’s gone but they should have kept Pete.
Hell while we’re at it, if Michael Holmes and Kyle Haines want to “get snapped up” by someone else’s that would be fine by me.
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16 comments
Would like to see a wholesale gutting of the FO, not whatever this downsizing and promote the lower guys is
I want to trust the process, but I can’t deny it’s made me a little on-edge.
Snapped up into non leadership roles. Cmon.
I’m not sure I’m buying Pavlovic’s take here.
The Rangers and Braves are well-led organizations with systems that have been in place for several years. The Giants, under Buster Posey and Zack Minasian, are seeking to build a solid system, and some of that requires undoing what went wrong while Zaidi was in his role.
It shouldn’t be surprising that certain guys weren’t all that interested in sticking around to explore a new scouting/player development/analytics system and instead desired to go somewhere that was a bit more solidified.
Does it stink that the Giants lost some good individuals? Of course. Putila and Schwarze are brilliant baseball minds. They may not have worked for the Giants or maybe whatever Zaidi was doing wasn’t working for them, and it’d be interesting to have seen what they could do with a different leadership, but baseball will never pass up on talent like Putila, no matter how bad his last tenure may have been.
Best of luck to those guys. It’s time to move forward.
Don’t be scared Pavlovic
How much worse could it possibly get? Like….. really?
If we’re gonna be bad, I’d rather be “Rockies” bad than “scratch and claw to get close to .500” bad.
I love Posey and believe in him. But it’s not very reassuring that we put him as PoBO with no front office experience and a lot of our staff leaves.
Lmao
This assumes that the Giants being weaker and worse-run is not the result of these guys working in the FO. You win as a team, you lose as a team.
Bam Bam got snapped up too. Who cares. Teams love Giants discards, they think the Giants just misused them and sometimes they’re right. That doesn’t mean the Giants are losing anything if they were always going to be lousy for us.
If Vielle ends up the best hitting coach of all time, I’m good with that. He would have never done it for the Giants. I think there’s a role he could have been great, but that role wasn’t our hitting coach.
You can’t convince me that losing Viele is a bad thing
That strong Rangers org faceplanted hard last season
It might well be that the other orgs are being suckered in by people who look good on paper and are real problems in action. Viele is a good example. He’s not completely terrible but his overall effect on batting is bad and costly. Putila had years and essentially accomplished nothing—sure, Jung Hoo Lee, but one guy really isn’t enough, not even close.
No reason for Putila to accept a demotion, and Posey has signaled a change in philosophy that Viele and Schwartze might not want to enact. They’ve been mediocre, so some change has to happen on up and down the organization, or how would they improve?
Should have just let Pete GM… Vielle is only getting picked up because he worked with Donnie previously but wasn’t getting results on his own. Glad he’s gone but they should have kept Pete.
Hell while we’re at it, if Michael Holmes and Kyle Haines want to “get snapped up” by someone else’s that would be fine by me.