What are your thoughts on moving on from a Analytics/ Data Gm In Farhan to a Scouting/old school type Gm in Posey?
November 13, 2024
What are your thoughts on moving on from a Analytics/ Data Gm In Farhan to a Scouting/old school type Gm in Posey?
25 comments
Posey is for sure still going to be using analytics. I think the major difference is there will be a healthier connect between players and front office rather than players just feeling like numbers in a program. They are all dynamic different people and athletes and all should be handled differently.
I’m not 100% opposed, I think there are benefits to a scouting/old school approach but I’m concerned they’ll ignore analytics instead of using analytics to inform their decisions. I feel a big reason why Farhan’s tenure was a failure was analytics made the decisions instead of informing the decisions and I’m worried we’ll see the pendulum swing too far the opposite way. I hope I’ll be proven wrong though.
Love Buster Posey as a player and a person. It’s going to take time for him to access the organization. Then more time to fix it.
We will see in the next 4-5 years. I hope he is successful.
The problem is people seem to assume that if you don’t fully commit to every analytics that you are “anti-analytics” which is not true. It really just seems like they want a good mix and value different things, which is fine because they need a change of direction.
Like it was really weird how people were describing Bruce Bochy as “anti-analytics” last year when the Rangers hired him when he’s clearly not.
Feels like the election where we overcorrected.
He said up front that they weren’t getting rid of analytics. That would be organizational malpractice.
I’m not super confident in my inside baseball knowledge. But I’ll take Buster in almost any scenario where it is him or another person. Guy got us 3 rings. He knows wtf he’s doing and we are lucky he decided to stay in CA.
I don’t care which method they use, winning and results matter.
I love it, but nothing changes without an ownership group that is willing to open up the pocketbook. These guys are cheapskates, but don’t have any problem jacking up the price of concessions and parking every season.
I read a post about Posey taking a Derek Jeter-esque path when Jeter was with the Marlins. I don’t think so. Jeter’s legend got bruised a bit in Miami, especially when he shipped Stanton to the Yankees in a trade that brought little back to Miami. For a while, it looked like Jeter was going to make the Marlins a pipeline to send Miami’s best players/prospects to the Yankees. Luckily, that didn’t happen.
buster didn’t need this new job. He doesn’t need the money. He isn’t going to set himself up to fail, and tarnish his legacy in any way. I have complete faith in him.
I was excited for when Buster Posey was a player for the Giants, not so much as an executive. No idea how this plays out and the exodus of people who were asked to remain doesn’t encourage me. But no major league moves have been made and the offseason is still long to find replacements for people who left.
I feel as though he could have taken control of the baseball side as an owner (just as Baer does with the business side) and led the charge on hiring an experienced POBO under his philosophy. Him being the POBO limited who we could have brought in which didn’t feel the best to me.
It takes multiple years anyways to evaluate a POBO and as he gains more experience, more changes to the organization will happen. Curious to see more of his philosophy with the moves he makes.
The Farhan experiment ran its course. Now get back what worked.
It’s what baseball in general needs to go back to
Guys, Posey isn’t an “old school” kind of GM. He literally said in his press conference that “it would be malpractice” to get rid of analytics.
Every successful team in every sport heavily uses analytics. Teams aren’t ran as binary as the public thinks they do. Organizations aren’t ran in an “analytics vs old school” way.
You guys are going to turn on him so hard. It might even be in the next 5 months.
When something isn’t working, you try something new. Time will tell!
As mentioned by most other comments, He’s not throwing out analytics. But you can teach Buster what he needs to know regarding analytics. But you can’t teach Zaidi anything close to what Buster has learned in his career. That’s the difference.
Not losing analytics, but we get a former player that loves the city. Players will genuinely enjoy hanging out with him, when they fly out to see the stadium, city, and training facilities.
I don’t mind having a scouting focus or an analytics focus, but if they want to compete in modern baseball, they will have to invest heavily in both
I leik Posey. Jus my $.02
Being against “analytics” in baseball is like saying you don’t believe in math.
Should’ve been done yesterday. Bochy proved it by winning the WS in TEXAS😒
They aren’t killing analytics, Posey as a catcher loves analytics.
Genuinely where do you think the ability to call a perfect game comes from? The catcher picking pitches off of vibes? No! He looked at every batters stats and determined which pitches to call when.
Every team uses analytics…but Posey won’t be dictating to the manager what the lineup should be each day based on analytics…there is still a ton of “feel” to the game that FZ stripped away from his managers…Posey knows better…
Analytics should be used to diagnose a weakness, not build a line-up.
25 comments
Posey is for sure still going to be using analytics. I think the major difference is there will be a healthier connect between players and front office rather than players just feeling like numbers in a program. They are all dynamic different people and athletes and all should be handled differently.
I’m not 100% opposed, I think there are benefits to a scouting/old school approach but I’m concerned they’ll ignore analytics instead of using analytics to inform their decisions. I feel a big reason why Farhan’s tenure was a failure was analytics made the decisions instead of informing the decisions and I’m worried we’ll see the pendulum swing too far the opposite way. I hope I’ll be proven wrong though.
Love Buster Posey as a player and a person. It’s going to take time for him to access the organization. Then more time to fix it.
We will see in the next 4-5 years. I hope he is successful.
The problem is people seem to assume that if you don’t fully commit to every analytics that you are “anti-analytics” which is not true. It really just seems like they want a good mix and value different things, which is fine because they need a change of direction.
Like it was really weird how people were describing Bruce Bochy as “anti-analytics” last year when the Rangers hired him when he’s clearly not.
Feels like the election where we overcorrected.
He said up front that they weren’t getting rid of analytics. That would be organizational malpractice.
I’m not super confident in my inside baseball knowledge. But I’ll take Buster in almost any scenario where it is him or another person. Guy got us 3 rings. He knows wtf he’s doing and we are lucky he decided to stay in CA.
I don’t care which method they use, winning and results matter.
I love it, but nothing changes without an ownership group that is willing to open up the pocketbook. These guys are cheapskates, but don’t have any problem jacking up the price of concessions and parking every season.
I read a post about Posey taking a Derek Jeter-esque path when Jeter was with the Marlins. I don’t think so. Jeter’s legend got bruised a bit in Miami, especially when he shipped Stanton to the Yankees in a trade that brought little back to Miami. For a while, it looked like Jeter was going to make the Marlins a pipeline to send Miami’s best players/prospects to the Yankees. Luckily, that didn’t happen.
buster didn’t need this new job. He doesn’t need the money. He isn’t going to set himself up to fail, and tarnish his legacy in any way. I have complete faith in him.
I was excited for when Buster Posey was a player for the Giants, not so much as an executive. No idea how this plays out and the exodus of people who were asked to remain doesn’t encourage me. But no major league moves have been made and the offseason is still long to find replacements for people who left.
I feel as though he could have taken control of the baseball side as an owner (just as Baer does with the business side) and led the charge on hiring an experienced POBO under his philosophy. Him being the POBO limited who we could have brought in which didn’t feel the best to me.
It takes multiple years anyways to evaluate a POBO and as he gains more experience, more changes to the organization will happen. Curious to see more of his philosophy with the moves he makes.
The Farhan experiment ran its course. Now get back what worked.
It’s what baseball in general needs to go back to
Guys, Posey isn’t an “old school” kind of GM. He literally said in his press conference that “it would be malpractice” to get rid of analytics.
Every successful team in every sport heavily uses analytics. Teams aren’t ran as binary as the public thinks they do. Organizations aren’t ran in an “analytics vs old school” way.
You guys are going to turn on him so hard. It might even be in the next 5 months.
When something isn’t working, you try something new.
Time will tell!
As mentioned by most other comments, He’s not throwing out analytics. But you can teach Buster what he needs to know regarding analytics. But you can’t teach Zaidi anything close to what Buster has learned in his career. That’s the difference.
Not losing analytics, but we get a former player that loves the city. Players will genuinely enjoy hanging out with him, when they fly out to see the stadium, city, and training facilities.
I don’t mind having a scouting focus or an analytics focus, but if they want to compete in modern baseball, they will have to invest heavily in both
I leik Posey. Jus my $.02
Being against “analytics” in baseball is like saying you don’t believe in math.
Should’ve been done yesterday. Bochy proved it by winning the WS in TEXAS😒
They aren’t killing analytics, Posey as a catcher loves analytics.
Genuinely where do you think the ability to call a perfect game comes from? The catcher picking pitches off of vibes? No! He looked at every batters stats and determined which pitches to call when.
Every team uses analytics…but Posey won’t be dictating to the manager what the lineup should be each day based on analytics…there is still a ton of “feel” to the game that FZ stripped away from his managers…Posey knows better…
Analytics should be used to diagnose a weakness, not build a line-up.