How worried should we be about Jamal Murray & the Jokic-less Denver Nuggets?

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The Jokic-less Nuggets gave us an uninspired sequel to Friday Night’s loss. Jamal Murray and Michael Porter Jr mightily struggled again without Jokic. What is our level of concern that the team can’t seem to win without Nikola Jokic? Are there any silver linings to this game? We’re back in the loser’s lounge. Adam Mares, Brendan Vogt, and Duvalier Johnson come to you LIVE from the DNVR Bar to break down everything you need to know in this postgame edition of the DNVR Nuggets Podcast!

Start – 0:00
Fast breakdown – 2:35
Dev’s Big takeaway – 5:05
Vogt’s big takeaway – 10:35
Adam’s big takeaway – 11:50
Scale of confidence – 18:50
Squinting for Silver Linings – 34:35
PWAT – 45:40
The effort – 50:15
Superchats – 55:00

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36 comments

  2. Nuggets went from one game out of the 3-seed to two games out with the 70 games to go.

    Adam: These last two games made it a lot more harder to get the 3-seed.

  6. My worry is that Murray can’t score over 20 ppg to save his life and he’s on a super max contract. 20ppg is the minimum and would still be garbage for a supermax player.

  8. we are almost nothing without jokic. Jamal and MPJ have big stars salaries, but they are NOT, they are jokic dependent, as the rest.

  9. Murray is hurting the team with the way he plays, his peak has passed and when there is nowhere to hide he disappears. It was clear at the end of the last season and at the Olympics that something was wrong. But if his form is gone and they give him a max contract he will hurt the team for the next 4 years because no one will take him with that contract.

  10. Denver has many problems. They suffer from being over dependant on Jokic the same way Juventus players became for relaxes because of Cristiano Ronaldo. They expect him to carry the load and pressure so they dont have to. Also they have their max contracts, mpj and murray so they lost motivation. Another point is that they think theyre better than they actually are and dont feel the need to improve. In short Jokic is the only serious one beside watson, braun, russ and AG

  11. It doesnt take a genius to figure out not to dribble the ball for the majority of the shot clock and make a desperate play at the end. What jamal lacks is IQ. Hes as talented as Schroder but looks better because of jokic. We are all gonna look back at joker as a What If kind of player. Imagine Jokic with Anthony Edwards or booker

  12. Joker is the only one that has that killed instinct.

    Maybe besides Westbrook. But he didn’t show it last 2 games…

    Murray definitely doesn’t have that instinct. It shows when Jokic is gone..

    Does Murray take basketball as a hobby? If so. That’s not good.

    You’re here to win. Play 100% for yourself and teammates. Especially if you’re a MAX PLAYER. ..

    I love AG, MPJ, CB…

    Westbrook is growing on me. They alone gotta step up! (I understand ag is hurt).

    I don’t understand Murray’s mindset…. It’s pathetic

  13. Murray and Porter have clearly looked better than they actually are by playing their entire career with Jokic. their contracts are insane. Absolute shambles without the Joker, such an embarassment especiallly when you look at the other teams and how much quality there is in this league.

  14. Right now, Murray has no strength in his legs, so he can't get any speed at all. I don't know if it's because I didn't work out in the offseason or if the injury is lingering. If Murray continues like this, Denver will not be able to advance high in the playoffs, so I think they will have to consider Murray or find another way. And it's such a huge disappointment for Murray. What did you prepare for during the offseason? If Murray goes out for the season with a knee injury again, Jokic's year will be wasted again.

  15. Right now, Murray has no strength in his legs, so he can't get any speed at all. I don't know if it's because I didn't work out in the offseason or if the injury is lingering. If Murray continues like this, Denver will not be able to advance high in the playoffs, so I think they will have to consider Murray or find another way. And it's such a huge disappointment for Murray. What did you prepare for during the offseason? If Murray goes out for the season with a knee injury again, Jokic's year will be wasted again.

  16. Millsap 2020–30 million max contract for 11/5/1 (due to inflation like today around 42-45 million)

    Mason P. 2020–7/5/2 for 14 million (like today around 22)

    Gary Harris 2020 – – 9/2/1 for 18 million (like today about 25)

    Porter 2024–34 million for 16/7/1

    Murray 2024–34 million for 17/4/5 and 39% shot

    Denver's management should be studied in terms of catastrophic management

    I will not even go into the story of Barton, who played for 7 years for about 30 minutes. The man plays in the Chinese league. Plus another 10-15 bad trades.

    You have to be really dumb to give big money 1 year before the new contract🙄

    I believe that Murray will be better but Porter is simply very limited. Any other team–Porter will be deep bench.

    Plus Malone is so rigid and not creative. It is insane that we KEEP freaking Jordan, nice guy but he is washed 🙄

  24. Very bad mismanagement of assets by GM and ownership. They let go people that they should have signed and signed people that they should have traded except for AG.

  26. I’m gonna piggyback on Dean Georgaris super chat. Happens that I know few people on nuggets coaching staff and they told me the same thing, that he mentally checked out and that he’s more into mma than basketball. That’s why I’m confused why you extend guy who doesn’t even want to play basketball????

  27. It doesn't matter what Jukic's reasons are. He can miss a game just for wanting to miss a game. He earned it, the other guys need to step up. He's been doing everything on the court when he's there. They were lucky enough to be playing against two weak teams who werr also missing their best players and they messed up

  33. Dario and Westbrook don't make sense together, that's an easy fix. Open with westbrook, and Jamal and Dario coming off the bench together 😂😂😂

  34. The Payton Watson minutes are really baffling me. Especially in these games where they're playing so bad. There's no chance of winning, Jukic's not there, you've got a player you're trying to develop, and he's playing well, just keep him in. Put him on a leash in the playoff. Don't put him on the leash in the middle of the season when they're losing anyway, and he's one of the best out there.

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