[Duggan] So, we sure about Schoen and Daboll’s QB evaluations? They gave Daniel Jones a $160M contract and benched him after 16 terrible starts. They gave Drew Lock $5M to be the backup and then leapfrogged him when they benched Jones. Those were misses on QBs with tons of NFL tape to evaluate….
November 19, 2024
[Duggan] So, we sure about Schoen and Daboll’s QB evaluations? They gave Daniel Jones a $160M contract and benched him after 16 terrible starts. They gave Drew Lock $5M to be the backup and then leapfrogged him when they benched Jones.
Those were misses on QBs with tons of NFL tape to evaluate….
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“Those were misses on QBs with tons of NFL tape to evaluate. Now this regime is headed toward forcing a QB in a draft that doesn’t feature any can’t-miss prospects: nytimes.com/athletic/59306…“
The Giants are going to pull a Bears aren’t they?
Yes, we’re sure.
besides being there when josh allen was drafted and daboll saying he liked jayden daniels is there any evidence these two can evaluate quarterbacks?
daboll gets credit for josh allen, how much credit should he get?
I’d very much like to know how much that was Schoen and how much that was Mara. Mara certainly has a type he loves.
Just throwing out a possibility that nobody seems to be mentioning. Since TD had his starts last year, he has had an entire off season and half a regular season of learning the offense and growing as a second year UDFA. Maybe Lock is exactly who Schoen thought he was but TD has grown enough that he is playing at a better level than lock is now. There is the additional possibility that the view TD as having a lower floor than lock but a higher ceiling and want to see if he can be the bridge QB for next year or perhaps even the franchise QB. People continue to write TD off but why not give him a shot to be an nfl starter? Unlikely? Definitely! Possible? Of course! Let him cook (cutlets, thin sliced, lightly fried)
Paying DJ that contract – obviously wrong
Benching DJ to avoid his injury clause in a 2-8 season – correct move
Leapfrogging your backup QB – who cares the seasons lost anyways, the reasoning is either they already know what Lock’s potential is and want to see if there’s anything there for Devito, even if it’s just for a backup position going forward, or they simply want to tank at this point and can’t say it so they’re bringing in the worse of the 2 QB’s left.
I feel like starting Devito could be more than just a football move. Mara is trying to salvage ticket sales in a lost season. What better way to do that than by starting the meme QB that everyone loves?
The season’s lost and Lock would cost more to extend if he ends up being the guy.
DeVito is cheap enough to basically be free. Give him the ball and see what he does with it. If he sucks, getting a new QB was the default plan anyway (which could still be Lock, but you wouldn’t have to pay him as your established starter if that were the case). If he has value, let him show it and he can be the guy if he can. The rest of the season is basically just an extended tryout. It’s not like he can drive the team any further into the ground.
Clearly the giants have committed to the tank. Devito is awful, and this will help secure a top 3 pick.
i mean they didn’t pick up jones 5th year option, so going into that year they weren’t sold on him for obvious reasons. i personally don’t believe they loved him as much as didn’t feel there were great alternatives and knew they kind of put themselves in a position to “win now” after winning a playoff game that 1st year.
have to wonder how things would be different if we lost a few of those close games that year and didn’t make the playoffs – would they have let jones walk? or signed him to a shorter/smaller prove it deal?
These are legitimate concerns. The people that defend the Jones’ resigning claim it’s all John Mara. But both Schoen and Daboll would have to feel really optimistic about Daniel Jones to not convince Mara that Jones has limitations.
(Viking fan) Didn’t Daboll inherit Jones ? Extended him after that playoff win seemed reasonable at the time. Let the guy get his own QB to groom in the draft then we make sweeping judgement
We’ll never know if it was ownership getting involved and forcing their hand with the contract extension. As far as evaluations, it’s clear that Lock was just a bad signing. The scary thing right now is that everybody is expecting and demanding a QB getting drafted this spring. This is basically setting the stage for 2019 all over again, where they reach to draft a guy in order to try and save their own job.
No one was going to pay Jones that price. How the Jones camp got so much power in negotiations is beyond me.
Are we taking crazy pills? Yes, DJs contract is not good- but where were we in 2022? What were our options? DJ had shown flashes of being a serviceable QB with the new regime. Our options in the draft were… Will Levis? Free agency- Baker is the obvious miss here but Derek Carr? Jimmy G? Would those really have been better options? This revisionist history is really annoying me- we were not in a position to get a better QB that year!
I guess you gotta write something when you get paid to write.
$160mil is nothing compared to the QB contracts that were signed that year. Owners wanted to stick with DJ and gave him the least amount of money they could for the current market. $5mil is light work for a backup QB. Lock was “leapfrogged” to escape paying him any incentives that are written within his contract. They both will be dropped from the team next year. Total rebuild is incoming.
There was some asshat rumor on BBI that Lock is pretty much unplayable and some question if he even wants to play according to people inside the giants building. If that’s true it’s another bad look for Schoen.
The DJ contract was bad, but at least made sense at the time. The Drew Lock stuff is so overblown. They paid him normal backup QB money and decided to go another direction in a lost season. If the team were 7-3 and Jones had gotten hurt, I guarantee you Lock would be starting the next game
I’m not a conspiracy theorist but I’m sure Mara had a role in the DJ signing too
Lawrence in Jacksonville is getting 250 million. Just saying
Dumb take, if you can learn that DeVito can be our backup and save us premium backup QB money then there is value in that.
Odds are neither he nor Lock end up impressing to the point of becoming our starter. Lock is likely better on paper, but let’s find out if a year between starts has helped Cutlets.
This leaves out the context of pressure from ownership and Mara lackeys
People will pay to go watch TD. They won’t pay to watch Drew Lock.
Kevin Abrams. Kevin Abrams has been with the Giants since 1999. He is their “cap guru.” Yet time and time again, the giants give out baffling contracts that are instantly ridiculed the moment they are announced. He and McDonnell retaining seemingly key positions in the front office gives me absolutely no faith that the giants have a bright future.
The Giants are in the same boat as the Bengals, Raiders, Bears and Cardinals. These teams have all stayed in one family since their inception. They all are run by people who consider themselves, effectively, football royalty. That because they have been around football their whole lives, that they were born into their teams, there is nobody better suited to run their teams. We’re just going to be riding the carousel of futility until that changes.
They spent the offseason trying to replace DJ in the draft, only to tell Russell Wilson that he had no shot to win the starting job from a mediocre QB like Daniel Jones. They gave DJ no competition for the job despite scouting his replacement for 6 months. Make it make sense. Why should they have a job?
Lock was brought in to be insurance in case DJ couldn’t go. The contract to DJ was only a slight overpay considering the year he just had and the Saquon situation. It sucks the way it played out, but all these stupid posts need to just stop.
No of course we’re not sure. That’s why half the sub, myself included, wants them fired. (We should do a poll on that btw).
Dugan is not the writer for me. I hate his click bait style.
Oh and apparently Baker Mayfield, Russ Wilson and Sam Darnold are all half decent……
They’re obviously avoiding paying Lock any contract incentives.
Can we stop calling it a 160m contract, it’s an 82m contract at this point.
To be fair to Schoen and Daboll they were forced into giving Jones that contract by winning a road playoff game. If they let Jones walk the fan base at the time would have went nuts. If they didn’t make the playoffs Jones does not get a new contract.
I think the stink goes all the way to Mara
I think Daniel Jones’ contract was bad, but also the Giants didn’t have a lot of other options. He had just gotten a bad team to the wild card and showed signs of improvement with a new coach and GM.
I do think we need to have a serious conversation about if Schoen and Daboll should pick the next QB. I’m not sold on either of them for reasons beyond the QB situation.
When DJ is cut or traded next off season he will have made 82 million of the “160 million” contract. One more million than he was guaranteed at signing.
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“Those were misses on QBs with tons of NFL tape to evaluate. Now this regime is headed toward forcing a QB in a draft that doesn’t feature any can’t-miss prospects: nytimes.com/athletic/59306…“
The Giants are going to pull a Bears aren’t they?
Yes, we’re sure.
besides being there when josh allen was drafted and daboll saying he liked jayden daniels is there any evidence these two can evaluate quarterbacks?
daboll gets credit for josh allen, how much credit should he get?
I’d very much like to know how much that was Schoen and how much that was Mara. Mara certainly has a type he loves.
Just throwing out a possibility that nobody seems to be mentioning. Since TD had his starts last year, he has had an entire off season and half a regular season of learning the offense and growing as a second year UDFA. Maybe Lock is exactly who Schoen thought he was but TD has grown enough that he is playing at a better level than lock is now. There is the additional possibility that the view TD as having a lower floor than lock but a higher ceiling and want to see if he can be the bridge QB for next year or perhaps even the franchise QB. People continue to write TD off but why not give him a shot to be an nfl starter? Unlikely? Definitely! Possible? Of course! Let him cook (cutlets, thin sliced, lightly fried)
Paying DJ that contract – obviously wrong
Benching DJ to avoid his injury clause in a 2-8 season – correct move
Leapfrogging your backup QB – who cares the seasons lost anyways, the reasoning is either they already know what Lock’s potential is and want to see if there’s anything there for Devito, even if it’s just for a backup position going forward, or they simply want to tank at this point and can’t say it so they’re bringing in the worse of the 2 QB’s left.
I feel like starting Devito could be more than just a football move. Mara is trying to salvage ticket sales in a lost season. What better way to do that than by starting the meme QB that everyone loves?
The season’s lost and Lock would cost more to extend if he ends up being the guy.
DeVito is cheap enough to basically be free. Give him the ball and see what he does with it. If he sucks, getting a new QB was the default plan anyway (which could still be Lock, but you wouldn’t have to pay him as your established starter if that were the case). If he has value, let him show it and he can be the guy if he can. The rest of the season is basically just an extended tryout. It’s not like he can drive the team any further into the ground.
Clearly the giants have committed to the tank. Devito is awful, and this will help secure a top 3 pick.
i mean they didn’t pick up jones 5th year option, so going into that year they weren’t sold on him for obvious reasons. i personally don’t believe they loved him as much as didn’t feel there were great alternatives and knew they kind of put themselves in a position to “win now” after winning a playoff game that 1st year.
have to wonder how things would be different if we lost a few of those close games that year and didn’t make the playoffs – would they have let jones walk? or signed him to a shorter/smaller prove it deal?
These are legitimate concerns. The people that defend the Jones’ resigning claim it’s all John Mara. But both Schoen and Daboll would have to feel really optimistic about Daniel Jones to not convince Mara that Jones has limitations.
(Viking fan) Didn’t Daboll inherit Jones ? Extended him after that playoff win seemed reasonable at the time. Let the guy get his own QB to groom in the draft then we make sweeping judgement
We’ll never know if it was ownership getting involved and forcing their hand with the contract extension. As far as evaluations, it’s clear that Lock was just a bad signing. The scary thing right now is that everybody is expecting and demanding a QB getting drafted this spring. This is basically setting the stage for 2019 all over again, where they reach to draft a guy in order to try and save their own job.
No one was going to pay Jones that price. How the Jones camp got so much power in negotiations is beyond me.
Are we taking crazy pills? Yes, DJs contract is not good- but where were we in 2022? What were our options? DJ had shown flashes of being a serviceable QB with the new regime. Our options in the draft were… Will Levis? Free agency- Baker is the obvious miss here but Derek Carr? Jimmy G? Would those really have been better options? This revisionist history is really annoying me- we were not in a position to get a better QB that year!
I guess you gotta write something when you get paid to write.
$160mil is nothing compared to the QB contracts that were signed that year. Owners wanted to stick with DJ and gave him the least amount of money they could for the current market. $5mil is light work for a backup QB. Lock was “leapfrogged” to escape paying him any incentives that are written within his contract. They both will be dropped from the team next year. Total rebuild is incoming.
There was some asshat rumor on BBI that Lock is pretty much unplayable and some question if he even wants to play according to people inside the giants building. If that’s true it’s another bad look for Schoen.
The DJ contract was bad, but at least made sense at the time. The Drew Lock stuff is so overblown. They paid him normal backup QB money and decided to go another direction in a lost season. If the team were 7-3 and Jones had gotten hurt, I guarantee you Lock would be starting the next game
I’m not a conspiracy theorist but I’m sure Mara had a role in the DJ signing too
Lawrence in Jacksonville is getting 250 million. Just saying
Dumb take, if you can learn that DeVito can be our backup and save us premium backup QB money then there is value in that.
Odds are neither he nor Lock end up impressing to the point of becoming our starter. Lock is likely better on paper, but let’s find out if a year between starts has helped Cutlets.
This leaves out the context of pressure from ownership and Mara lackeys
People will pay to go watch TD. They won’t pay to watch Drew Lock.
Kevin Abrams. Kevin Abrams has been with the Giants since 1999. He is their “cap guru.” Yet time and time again, the giants give out baffling contracts that are instantly ridiculed the moment they are announced. He and McDonnell retaining seemingly key positions in the front office gives me absolutely no faith that the giants have a bright future.
The Giants are in the same boat as the Bengals, Raiders, Bears and Cardinals. These teams have all stayed in one family since their inception. They all are run by people who consider themselves, effectively, football royalty. That because they have been around football their whole lives, that they were born into their teams, there is nobody better suited to run their teams. We’re just going to be riding the carousel of futility until that changes.
They spent the offseason trying to replace DJ in the draft, only to tell Russell Wilson that he had no shot to win the starting job from a mediocre QB like Daniel Jones. They gave DJ no competition for the job despite scouting his replacement for 6 months. Make it make sense. Why should they have a job?
Lock was brought in to be insurance in case DJ couldn’t go. The contract to DJ was only a slight overpay considering the year he just had and the Saquon situation. It sucks the way it played out, but all these stupid posts need to just stop.
No of course we’re not sure. That’s why half the sub, myself included, wants them fired. (We should do a poll on that btw).
Dugan is not the writer for me. I hate his click bait style.
Oh and apparently Baker Mayfield, Russ Wilson and Sam Darnold are all half decent……
They’re obviously avoiding paying Lock any contract incentives.
Can we stop calling it a 160m contract, it’s an 82m contract at this point.
To be fair to Schoen and Daboll they were forced into giving Jones that contract by winning a road playoff game. If they let Jones walk the fan base at the time would have went nuts. If they didn’t make the playoffs Jones does not get a new contract.
I think the stink goes all the way to Mara
I think Daniel Jones’ contract was bad, but also the Giants didn’t have a lot of other options. He had just gotten a bad team to the wild card and showed signs of improvement with a new coach and GM.
I do think we need to have a serious conversation about if Schoen and Daboll should pick the next QB. I’m not sold on either of them for reasons beyond the QB situation.
When DJ is cut or traded next off season he will have made 82 million of the “160 million” contract. One more million than he was guaranteed at signing.