Why The Giants Should Fire Joe Schoen
Joe Schoen has been the Giants GM Since 2022 without much success to show for it. Bobby thinks it is time for a change and that goes for HC Brian Daboll as well.
01:43 Schoens Draft Classes
05:03 Paying Daniel Jones
06:35 Joe Schoen’s Player Acquisition
13:18 Bad Process
19:48 Letting Guys Walk
24:19 A QB Away?
29:11 Brian Daboll
33:10 John Mara
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As always, I enjoy the comments & feedback (except for that one guy who has like 5 burners). Been compiling notes and arguments from others for keeping Schoen to make this video cover it all. Hate making a video calling for firings but think the evidence is there. Subscribe! TGvTW
Just wanna say that if there's one good thing this horrendous season has brought is Talkin Giants making more "outside" of games videos
These episodes are so good without the annoying, no knowledge, stat clown
Daboll has had 3 top 20 offenses in 11 years of being OC or HC. Stop with the he's an offensive genius, selling him as such should get Schoen fired
One question…and we really cannot know is. To what extent does John get involved in day to day?
I totally agreed.. Ive thought Shane’s drafts been ok but when I started to think about it they been really bad especially since the first 2 drafts u see barely any growth or development.. I do hate constant swapping but when we were looking for a new GM I wanted Peter’s from the 49ers whose now wash GM. I hope Mara will fire them but don’t think he will. Also why does he have family in super important jobs who probably never played football or done anything other have family ties. Mara should pay them the same salary and move them to over see vendors or partnerships not player n development
Bobby mad respect but I just wish you would’ve done your QB draft evaluations before making this video. Let’s say hypothetically that the tape shows one or either of these QBs can be the guy in your opinion. Well then that must shift the view of the roster headed into 2025. You’ve said a couple of times that your life would be so much better had the giants drafted Drake Maye last year even if the giants still only had 2 wins. I bet you’d be preaching patience if that was our reality. Do a deep dive on Ward or Sanders and then make your proclamations. ✌️
Great analysis, Bobby. Unemotional and supported by data. I also think they should be replaced. Bad roster building and overpaying Daniel Jones.
Can we just draft some grown men, flott and edzudo could’ve easy been Travis jones and Leo chenal… I want gym rats who scare you and can move up front
Bobby, excellent breakdown. I've come to the same conclusions as you, save maybe a few. While I might think Schoen has done a better job than Daboll, it really doesn't matter. I think you could make a case either way depending on where you put the emphasis, roster building vs coaching. The reality neither have done a good enough job. Now there is part of me that wants to factor in the decisions in 2022, leading to keeping Jones, affecting how 2023 and 2024 have gone, because once you fuck up the QB position, you pay for it, and the decisions you make thereafter, meaning 2023 and 2024, are usually in support of that initial decision. Tbh, that's a complicated discussion. It would be crazy for Mara to hand the keys back to Schoen to restart the process, probably without Daboll. I don't really think there is choice. We have to start over again. I also appreciate the view on Mara and that is also a tough reality to swallow. Mara is a bad owner. He isn't obnoxious and means well, but he makes bad decisions, so we are hoping that in spite of himself, we hit on the GM and HC. That's not a good situation to be in and does not make me feel good about my fandom.
Overstating how "bad" some of these players are. Don't become Pat Leonard. Don't forget injuries.
Great episode. Unfortunately, the bad job Schoen did will cost Daboll his job. Daboll can do better, but this roster isn't equipped to win. I'm not sure what Daboll is supposed to do with this roster.
I blame Schoen the most in all of this.
When Bobby, makes this type of video then that means there has to be a change but imo i think The giants should be patient by keeping the due dispite the roster building and development
I don’t even hold Daniel jones against either of them. Outside of DJ schoen built a horrible roster, missed on 4 offensive linemen pick badly. Daboll is not ready to be a head coach. Shown too much incompetency silly shit like the jets game in 23 and that Washington game in week 2 how do u not elevate a kicker when we were still healthy? Garbage juice
The fact Dabbol took a bum like Jones to the playoffs makes me think he isn't the problem. We consistently see him scheming plays but the QB couldn't see the field. Yall expect a chef to make the tastiest meal ever with food from the garbage?
Great video as always, but I disagree with you about Flott. Guy is a legit corner 2 on a better team and was a great value in R3. He had an absolute monster game against Jamar Chase this year who is making a case that him and Justin Jefferson are 1a and 1b in the NFL pecking order.
Yes they should Joe is the worst GM in the league
Great job on this!! Very informative. Good observations and great stat work and research to back it up.. watched every second 🤌🫱🫲👏👏
Joe Shane dosent know how to build a team, coach has lost his way, Tisch and Mara need to step up bring in Vrabl and Jerry Reese.
great video man, keep up the good work.
I have nothing but love for Bobby, but as a Giants fan every time he opens his mouth its an ass-chewing. When Bobby is not happy the Giants are trash…….always.
Drafting Evan Neal top 10, then drafting Josh Ezedu only to have to sign Elumenor and Runyan because both of your draft picks suck ass …then because we had to sign Runyan and elumenor we dont have enough money to bring back X and Saquon is the nail in the coffin. X leading the league in interceptions and Saquon is about to win MVP. Wild shit
Excellent breakdown sir. I was on the fence, and this convinced me to agree with you.
The cost of two bad picks in year 1 through Neal & Ezedou cost them in free agency going into year 3 by losing McKinney and Saquan as FA, putting that money into signing Runyon & Elumanour as FA’s, and then drafting replacements for what you lost in FA through Nubin and Tracey, picks which could have gone elsewhere… two bad picks impacting six future moves…
FIRE JOE
Great vid !!!
Great video Bobby, really well done!! Wouldn't it be great if Mara realized he and his family are a big part of the problem and he changed his losing process and started by hiring a President of Football Operations and he stepped back and let the President run the team and fire the Chris and Tim losing combo!?! His dad realized he was a bad GM and finally was convinced by the commissioner to hire George Young, come on John, see the light!!!!
Bobby you killed this. Great breakdown and analysis
THE TIME HAS COME TO CLEAN HOUSE NOW FROM THIS WHOLE REGIME NOW SCHOEN AND DEBALL HAVE PROVEN THAT THEY ARE NOT THE GUYS WHO CAN LEAD YOU TO A SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONSHIP MARA NEEDS TO MAKE THE MOVE NOW AND PROTECT HIS LEGACY AND THE GIANTS LEGACY AS WELL MARA NEEDS TO HIRE PEOPLE WHO CAN LEAD YOU TO A SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONSHIP END OF STORY
What are the chances John Mara is doing this type of due diligence before making a decision ?
Not to mention he has no plan— he drafted for Winks system and for an aggressive scheme then goes out and hires the SOFTEST zone D coordinator in the NFL. It demonstrates there’s no cohesion.
He should have made a deal with Belichick to come back.
Unfortunately I have to keep repeating this concept many times, to the point where I am so sick of my own self. John Mara is an idiot. John Mara is a mental midget. Of course John Mara does not see all of these. We are so unfortunate to have John Mental Midget Mara as an NFL owner.
Well done Bobby.
I hear no lies being told. None
They always had a choice they didn't have to take number five on the Giants they had a chance to take number 11 on the cowboys
Solid assessment. Thanks.
The Neal pick you were high on him in the draft
screw Jomboy Media – y'all need to work for the Giants
Great vid Bobby.
Something that I’m very shocked that I don’t really hear people talk about… And I’m not sure why…
It’s not like Joe Schoen relies exclusively on his own decision-making when building the roster, he absorbs all of his information and data from the rest of the scouting team… And you pointed out how badly our offensive line has been developed under Joe, and all point to you How the problem must go deeper into the scouts… Because the scouts feed him data and he makes a decision based off of this data, so is Joe Schoen bad or is the data bad?
The offensive line has been a problem for the better part of 10 years, the scouts have likely been with the Giants a lot longer than Joe Schoen.
Now, all you can really do is point out the decisions that are made and blame Joe, but the problems will not go away until we get scouts in there that know what they’re looking at… Because clearly they do not
Depressing watch, but great content.
The only pro-bowler on the team is Dexter Lawrence, Thomas is good but always injured. Those two were drafted by Gettleman. The 2022 draft was a virtual complete bust. Thibo is no where near the impact player that a team expects and needs a high 1st round draft pick to be, he disappears for games at a time, and along with Burns are undersized, not particularly fast edge rushers, who are routinely trapped inside by larger, more powerful offensive linemen, exposing the outside corner to big gains by running backs and QB's escaping the pocket. Everyone knew the Giants were not going to resign Barkley, yet Schoen failed to trade him and get anything back for a generational talent. Got nothing for McKinney. The Giants are outclassed athletically at virtually every position on the field other than Nose tackle, so enter the draft identifying all possible generational or elite talents available in the draft, and target them regardless of position, unless a kicker. Even if you have someone playing the same position as the draftee, any elite talent will elevate play of this very poor roster.
Towards the end it almost sounds like the problem is Mara lol
Schoen should used the franchise tag on Jones, signed Saquon and McKinney!
Aye you just made yourself a fan. Get of that guy asap!!!
Keeping Saquon would have opened up things for Nabors, Although hurt often Saquon was the best player on the team. Over paid for Burns, Giants should have hired Adam Peters and Brian Flores when they had the opportunity!!