Rays Uncertainty: FIVE POSSIBLE outcomes

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0:00 The LEAST LIKELY outcomes first…
3:08 OPTION: Stay in St. Petersburg
4:45 OPTION: The Long Game in St. Pete OR Tampa
6:31 OPTION: Gone to Orlando
8:41 OPTION: Dash to Nashville
10:21 OPTION: Rays in… Utah?

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  2. I would say Nashville and SLC are less than likely options for one big reason right now: Funding for stadium. Nashville is spending $2.2B on a new NFL stadium, while SLC recently approved $900M that could be used for renovations to Delta Center or a new arena all together. Not to mention, some olympic venues will need upgrades before 2034. Wouldn't be surprised if Raleigh/Durham was a possibility. Their minor league affiliate plays in Durham and the Carolina Hurricanes now have somebody in the corporate office where part of his job is quite literally MLB in Raleigh.

  5. As unlikely as it might be, Montreal would probably be the best fit, geographically, with the rest of their division, especially if the schedule makers coordinate road trips for the rest of the division to Toronto and Montreal to try and minimize the number of boarder crossings for the rest of the division.

  7. Im going to be really honest. There's no place for the Rays in Florida. I grew up watching and playing baseball in Florida. 75% of people there are Braves fans because the Braves were the team of the southeast long before any other teams were even there, and even people like me who were born after the Marlins and/or Rays came into being usually become Braves fans because we grew up watching with out parents and grandparents. That said the Marlins have fans because they are in Dade county which is a huge, densely populated region that's far from ATL and they made themselves a good ballpark with a good atmosphere and built a fan base over time by leaning into their Latin players and our mostly Latin community. Ive never met a Rays fan. Ive met people who were like "oh if the Braves or Marlins are not playing I root for the Rays" or "the Rays are my AL team" but nobody who is a die-hard Rays fan. You go to Rays games, at least when I was a kid because the stadium is always empty and tickets are cheap as dirt. I got Cal Ripken Jr's autograph in his final season solely because we could buy Rays tickets for $5 and move from our cheap center field seats down to the 3rd base libe because that's how ridiculously empty the stadium was. And as someone who has played ball in all sorts of ballparks, been to MLB games in Tampa, Miami, Seattle and obviously Atlanta as well as the spring training facilities Tropicana field doesn't even feel like a ball park. It feels like some sort of weird concert venue.
    That's not to say Tampa cant support a pro sports franchise. The Bucs are loved in Florida, I think they are the most popular NFL team in Florida. But the Rays just have too much competition with the Braves owning all the legacy baseball fans and the Marlins owning all the Miami fans.

  10. Orlando would be a destination for visiting fans just like Vegas is going to be. Lots of hotels. Build it near I Drive and connect it to the Brightline that connects to the airport and will eventually connect to Tampa. It would take Tampa fans the same amount of time to take the Brightline to Orlando as it would to drive to St Petersburg in rush hour traffic. The would basically be in the same media market. Best case scenario imo.

  13. Here’s an option. MLB doesn’t want 3 teams playing in minor league ballparks for 3-4 years while this all get sorted out. The A are already bad, the rays might get bad. MLB says enough and contracts by two teams. Then 1-2 years later expansion to Nashville/Utah/Montreal/Orlando and owners make out like bandits on expansion fees.

  15. I really do like the idea of Orlando, but the location they promised feels… silly. It's South of the Convention Center, at the interchange of the Beachline and International Drive, just North of Aquatica and SeaWorld Orlando, and even if they build a parking garage THEN build a stadium on it? I have NIGHTMARES about being stuck on that exit. (I worked at SeaWorld for 14 years, somehow still mostly sane, but taking the bus from downtown, the Aquatica traffic had me stuck on that bus for a literal hour once, and for a full half hour more than once. Honestly, when driving to the park these days I get off one exit early and go down, I think it's Turkey Lake Road instead.)

  21. What about a situation like the arizona coyotes where they have to relocate because they are stuck in a temporary facility with no in market option

  23. Potential divisions in a Salt Lake City scenario: EAST: NYY, Boston, Baltimore, Toronto, CLE or Detroit; CENTRAL: Minnesota, KC, ChiSox, Det or Cle, Houston or Texas; WEST: LAA, Seattle, Vegas, SLC and Houston or Texas

  24. As a Ray's fan who's grown up in Florida my whole life I would much rather them stay down here. Although as someone who's moving to The New River valley it would be a whole lot closer if it was in Nashville

  25. The difference between Tampa and St.Pete is that St.Pete (Pinellas County) has a tourist tax or "bed tax" that is specifically for marketing, capital projects, beach restoration, and stadium projects. The tax money for the development would come from that tax. Tampa does not have this and it's one of the main reasons (among others) the multiple proposals from Tampa were shot down. The Tampa (Hillsborough County) residents do not want their own tax dollars going towards a stadium so if the rays build in Tampa it will be completely on their dime, so my guess is that's not going to happen. Their best and most affordable bet is to stay in St.Pete, all those other options are going to be way more expensive for Stu, the penny pinching Rays owner.

  26. Orlando would be a great solution for the Rays. I signed up and waiting to purchase my season tickets. Tampa could easily support baseball but is financially strapped at the time. Orlando can bell the Rays out and keep them in the region.

  27. Thank you for the breakdown of the Tampa Bay Rays situation. I wish you had gone into more detail about the possibility of repairing Tropicana Field and staying there longer, since that's the option that makes the most sense and the one I support the most. I'm against building new stadiums in general (especially when it involves taxpayer money, as it does in the case of St. Petersburg) and I always thought the complaints about Tropicana Field and the Oakland Coliseum were overblown. If it were up to me, I would spend money to repair and renovate the Tropicana, and scrap the plan to build a new stadium altogether. We can use our stadiums for longer than 30 years for chrissakes.

  30. Any discussion of what happens for the Tampa Bay Rays needs to start with the understanding that MLB owners in general and the Rays owner in particular don't want to part ways with their own precious money, so their first and last question for where to go will always be, who can give me taxpayer dollars ? Baseball owners demand their government welfare checks before they start building anywhere. So all this talk about Nashville, Charlotte, Orlando, or even Tampa can be thrown out the window because, so far, none of those cities have put public money on the table. The only ones that have, are St. Petersburg and Salt Lake City, so those are the only two real possibilities.

    Between the two, St. Petersburg is easily the more appealing option because it means less change and if there's anything baseball owners hate, it's change, because that comes with uncertainty that could threaten the flow of their precious precious moneeeyyyy . What the Rays owner wants is to keep what he already had: a gravy train financed by public money. All that whining about how St. Petersburg is the wrong location because it's too much of a pain to cross a bridge – you think the Rays owner gives a *hit how long you have to spend in traffic to get to games? He wants to know how he can make the most money while spending the least, and that equation has little-to-nothing to do with people being stuck in traffic or even not going to games because of the traffic.

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