[Smith] You can’t convince me Seahawks couldn’t have ran ball more in the first half than they did. When they were getting their line moving like they did on this Pin and Pull concept, they had success. But Ryan Grubb decided he didn’t want to call run plays after they fell behind by 14.
December 17, 2024
[Smith] You can’t convince me Seahawks couldn’t have ran ball more in the first half than they did. When they were getting their line moving like they did on this Pin and Pull concept, they had success. But Ryan Grubb decided he didn’t want to call run plays after they fell behind by 14.
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There’s this notion by many that when the team is down so much you stick with passing heavy as it burns less clock allowing more opportunities to score. However I think this is bogus, as especially in this game when the defense forced 2 turnovers and a couple 3 and outs in the second half of the game, there was plenty of time. Hopefully this is just grubb learning nfl but it’s not a great sign
This is just my opinion but I think Mike mac will be done with grub after this season. I know there is more nuance to it than that. Grubb has a terrible O line to work with and he’s a first year coordinator. I do think he’s good at calling plays at times but…
I think there’s a philosophical difference of what Mike wants and what grubb is doing. Mike is smart enough to know you can’t win based purely on passing in the nfl. Mike has shown he cuts players who aren’t showing up and I kind of think it will be the same with grubb
Some butter is better churned slower.
Maybe I missed something because I’m in Europe right now and couldn’t watch the game…but what from an offensive execution standpoint are people complaining about?
First half drives looking at the play by play were:
* A quick punt after trying to pass on 3rd and 4 * Run 3 of 7 plays, one was a hold, one was a stuff on 2nd a 1, one was successful * A drive that got to the Red zone but ended in an INT.
Like how was the first half supposed to go better offensively if they kept running instead?
The other issue with Grubb is when he does actually call a run, it is usually right up the middle. He needs to do a better job at getting the RB in space, like a pitch, sweep, or screen. Both RBs are amazing once the can get going, but with the week OL, if they go up the middle they get tackled quickly.
I was a Grubb hold out, but he’s shown no ability to asses the strengths and weaknesses of the squad in game.
Hope he’s gone after the season.
This was the first week where I was really frustrated with Grubb. It felt like they made progress the last couple weeks and found some runs that they were actually good at. Then they didn’t even try those this week. Why?
It’s hilarious that for years we complained about running the ball too much and now we have this.
This was the first time that concept worked in the game. They called it before and it resulted in nothing. Grubb’s trying not to play behind the sticks, but that’s what ended up happening early on. Plus, the game script in the first half ended up being as such that they straight-up didn’t have many plays to work with. All it takes is one badly executed play or a penalty to fully stop the intended drive script to be flipped on its head. An OC can’t just wave a wand and say “there! I’ve run the ball the perfect number of times!” It’s all dependent on how the game actually unfolds. We only ran 24 plays in the first half, with the only drive that went anywhere being the one at the end of the half down 14 trying to score quick before halftime. Of course they threw a lot, because that’s what the game situation dictated.
This is just post-loss winging designed to get engagement. I am aware I’m participating in it, but god damn is it borderline offensive to see on every feed after EVERY loss. Good teams lose. Accept it and move on. There’s no secret sauce where if you lay the blame on the right person, the team will never lose again.
Guys it’s year one
Mac Is new trying to build something
Grubb is a college OC and the league has figured him out
DL looks better
OL is hurt and a few back ups there
We got torched in a number of plays downfield and running
We are mediocre this year
and if you told me in august we would end up with 9 wins (which is where I think we finish) I would’ve been pleasantly surprised
Give it time
Also our qb play has been atrocious Geno, while top 5 in yards has more picks than anyone and many in the red zone
I just read win have only one win against a +.500 team Denver when they weren’t good yet
Couple brights spots for me:
JSN is excellent when given a chance
Spoon is an Ignitor and always on the ball Leonard is playing like he’s 27
Charbonnet is a little better than expected
We have the best punter in the league lol
As soon as we hit this run play, I literally jumped up and said “where did THAT come from?!?” We haven’t seen that kind of run blocking from the Seahawks, it was a great gain, and we should have bookmarked that page.
Instead, we never did it again. Worst, once you get a defense leaning that way to block these kinds of pulling runs and sweeps, it frees up the odd Lockett counter run, or the play action to the back side, heck, even a QB bootleg.
It keeps the Packers D from just crashing the inside lanes or blowing thru after Geno.
Ive said it a few times and ill say it again, hard to run the ball when the O-line cant protect the QB or block open holes for the runners to save their jobs.
Grubb as a first time OC and dealing with the patchwork at best O-line we have has done remarkably well and geno has balled out (except for the red zone i will admit).
Give it another year where grubb has a chance this offseason to retool his playbook and also work with some actual offensive line pieces that we SHOULD pick up in the draft to get the group up to at LEAST league average
![[Smith] You can't convince me Seahawks couldn't have ran ball more in the first half than they did. When they were getting their line moving like they did on this Pin and Pull concept, they had success. But Ryan Grubb decided he didn't want to call run plays after they fell behind by 14.](https://www.rawchili.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/zzhNUtkIQFm8OSXIoeR4bGFQ70In7kmxDinfvi7gwiQ.jpg)
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There’s this notion by many that when the team is down so much you stick with passing heavy as it burns less clock allowing more opportunities to score. However I think this is bogus, as especially in this game when the defense forced 2 turnovers and a couple 3 and outs in the second half of the game, there was plenty of time. Hopefully this is just grubb learning nfl but it’s not a great sign
This is just my opinion but I think Mike mac will be done with grub after this season. I know there is more nuance to it than that. Grubb has a terrible O line to work with and he’s a first year coordinator. I do think he’s good at calling plays at times but…
I think there’s a philosophical difference of what Mike wants and what grubb is doing. Mike is smart enough to know you can’t win based purely on passing in the nfl. Mike has shown he cuts players who aren’t showing up and I kind of think it will be the same with grubb
Some butter is better churned slower.
Maybe I missed something because I’m in Europe right now and couldn’t watch the game…but what from an offensive execution standpoint are people complaining about?
First half drives looking at the play by play were:
* A quick punt after trying to pass on 3rd and 4
* Run 3 of 7 plays, one was a hold, one was a stuff on 2nd a 1, one was successful
* A drive that got to the Red zone but ended in an INT.
Like how was the first half supposed to go better offensively if they kept running instead?
The other issue with Grubb is when he does actually call a run, it is usually right up the middle. He needs to do a better job at getting the RB in space, like a pitch, sweep, or screen. Both RBs are amazing once the can get going, but with the week OL, if they go up the middle they get tackled quickly.
I was a Grubb hold out, but he’s shown no ability to asses the strengths and weaknesses of the squad in game.
Hope he’s gone after the season.
This was the first week where I was really frustrated with Grubb. It felt like they made progress the last couple weeks and found some runs that they were actually good at. Then they didn’t even try those this week. Why?
It’s hilarious that for years we complained about running the ball too much and now we have this.
This was the first time that concept worked in the game. They called it before and it resulted in nothing. Grubb’s trying not to play behind the sticks, but that’s what ended up happening early on. Plus, the game script in the first half ended up being as such that they straight-up didn’t have many plays to work with. All it takes is one badly executed play or a penalty to fully stop the intended drive script to be flipped on its head. An OC can’t just wave a wand and say “there! I’ve run the ball the perfect number of times!” It’s all dependent on how the game actually unfolds. We only ran 24 plays in the first half, with the only drive that went anywhere being the one at the end of the half down 14 trying to score quick before halftime. Of course they threw a lot, because that’s what the game situation dictated.
This is just post-loss winging designed to get engagement. I am aware I’m participating in it, but god damn is it borderline offensive to see on every feed after EVERY loss. Good teams lose. Accept it and move on. There’s no secret sauce where if you lay the blame on the right person, the team will never lose again.
Guys it’s year one
Mac
Is new trying to build something
Grubb is a college OC and the league has figured him out
DL looks better
OL is hurt and a few back ups there
We got torched in a number of plays downfield and running
We are mediocre this year
and if you told me in august we would end up with 9 wins (which is where I think we finish) I would’ve been pleasantly surprised
Give it time
Also our qb play has been atrocious
Geno, while top 5 in yards has more picks than anyone and many in the red zone
I just read win have only one win against a +.500 team
Denver when they weren’t good yet
Couple brights spots for me:
JSN is excellent when given a chance
Spoon is an Ignitor and always on the ball
Leonard is playing like he’s 27
Charbonnet is a little better than expected
We have the best punter in the league lol
As soon as we hit this run play, I literally jumped up and said “where did THAT come from?!?” We haven’t seen that kind of run blocking from the Seahawks, it was a great gain, and we should have bookmarked that page.
Instead, we never did it again. Worst, once you get a defense leaning that way to block these kinds of pulling runs and sweeps, it frees up the odd Lockett counter run, or the play action to the back side, heck, even a QB bootleg.
It keeps the Packers D from just crashing the inside lanes or blowing thru after Geno.
Ive said it a few times and ill say it again, hard to run the ball when the O-line cant protect the QB or block open holes for the runners to save their jobs.
Grubb as a first time OC and dealing with the patchwork at best O-line we have has done remarkably well and geno has balled out (except for the red zone i will admit).
Give it another year where grubb has a chance this offseason to retool his playbook and also work with some actual offensive line pieces that we SHOULD pick up in the draft to get the group up to at LEAST league average