[Comprés] Vladdy said he was offered 150MM / 7 years after 21′. He added that the team hasn’t been close to the amount he’s looking for; he’ll be willing to negotiate until the first day of camp. The ~340MM offer was after Soto’s pursuit.

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  2. Wasn’t the offer said to be before the Soto pursuit/contract 

    With Soto’s contract I can see him asking for 450-500m+

  5. To avoid absolute disaster, team needs a hard deadline. If he’s not signing their best offer, or if they’re not willing to match where he wants the contract to be, then they NEED to deal him. Maybe to a team that is almost certain they’ll resign him and have a great farm system we can get a couple studs out of, but regardless.

    People seem to not understand that baseball is the least loyal sport, it’s not a shot at the players, it’s just how the process is (from the farm systems, waiver wire,rule 5 drafts , years of service, minor league options that can be used to extend years under team control and ability to limit salaries, no limit on contract offer once hitting UFA). It would be great to have Vlad back, but he’s not gonna sign for 50-100 million less than another team might offer.

    Losing him is brutal, but losing him for nothing is unacceptable.

  7. If the Jays ownership doesn’t want to over pay for Vladdy, then trade him. Negotiating knowing damn well you aren’t going to reach his demand is point less. Either pay him what he wants or trade him.

    I get that they’re betting that no one is going to overpay for Vladdy in the open market. But if you go to a bidding war for Vlad you’ll lose to the other teams.

    This team is far from competing for a championship and is going to struggle to make the playoffs as the roster currently stands. Do what the Nats/Padres did with Soto and the Astros did with Tucker and trade him.

  9. This team has always nickle and dimed their best player who genuinely wants to be here.  Meanwhile, they offer nearly double to Ohtani and Soto who ultimately rather play somewhere else…no shit he’s not signing.  Considering he’ll be the best FA next year, and they offered over 700m for Soto, 340m is an insult.  (Yet, if they offered him that extension a year ago, he’d probably have taken it.)  I don’t blame Vladdy for waiting this out at this point. 

  10. Ross Atkins has screwed this up so bad.

    Vlad has no incentive to sign here right now at all, unless the Jays give him crazy money, of which it looks like Atkins is low balling him.

    Vlad is just gonna wait till next off-season when he will be the next Soto and every team is going to chase him and offer him insane amounts of money.

    Thanks for nothing Atkins

  12. Okay, the org tried to save a few bucks and it didn’t work. Now just give Vladdy whatever he wants for however long he wants. And throw in a generous deal for abuela’s cooking for good measure

  13. 150/ 7 after 2021 LMFAO. His salary in arbitration was:

    22: 7.9

    23: 14.5

    24: 20

    24: 29.5

    So Atkins wanted to buy out 3 FA seasons for 26m/year. What a joke I hope this story is fake. Harper got 25m for 13 seasons and you offer a contract for 3 free agent years. wow.

  14. I was wondering whether that reported $350M offer was before or after Soto. According to this it’s after. Not a good look.

  15. 100% he’s going to free agency. This FO has undervalued him his whole tenure here. They’ve barely been able to publicly praise him out of fear of giving him a “bargaining chip”.
    And when he’s gone, so will Atkins and Shapiro so not their problem anymore 🤷‍♂️

  17. On the first day of spring training if Vladdy is not signed to a long term deal, then fire Ross on day one. Then they can bring in someone competent with plenty of time to make improvements before the deadline.

  18. Nobody can defend this front office at this point.

    Ross, Mark, and the front office are absolute morons. How the fuck did we end up in this position lol

    We have two superstar young players and we’re entering a season where we’ll potentially lose both.

    Other franchises would be able to leverage two players like Bo and Vlad into long-term sustained success, while this front office just pisses it away

  23. If you fail to sign Vladdy, I don’t know how you justify not rebuilding… and if we’re rebuilding anyways… there’s no reason to keep Shapiro/Atkins on for the rebuild. This front office either needs to sign Vladdy or be shown the door in favor of someone who can sign Vladdy.

  24. Our current management is a disaster. To have spent so much money with no real success, no sustained culture of winning, no farm, bad relationship with stars, no long term deals with key players, etc.

    They’ve ticked every box of failure.

  25. That’s not a bad deal. Buys out 3 years of FA and 4 years of Arb for a good amount of money. Obviously though, he wanted longer term, as being a FA 3 years later would’ve been a lot worse for him.

  26. Let’s be serious, it’s Gonna take 12 or 13 and $700m. That’s the reality because Yankees and bosox will make those offers regardless of vlads previous comments

  27. I can’t believe we’re watching this play out while being a last place team and ALSO having a last place farm system.

    What a fucking joke. Sustained success my ass.

  29. Has it been reported what the term on that 340 deal was? If it was 10 years, 34mm is a pretty good aav and you have to imagine Vlad takes it if they give 34mm x 14. A few extra years can be negotiated…

    Maybe I’m just huffing the hopium though

  30. If they actually offered him $340 million *after* Soto signed I don’t give a fuck about any justification that’s a straight-up fireable decision in and of itself. absolutely insulting especially since vladdy holds all the cards and he knows it

  31. hard to judge without knowing the length of offer for the 340mm, sounds initially bad but if it was 10/340 that’s not a terrible offer to start negotiations, if it was 12 years or longer however then that isn’t a good sign

  33. 7/150 may seem low, even after his great 2021, but I am sure they were factoring his 4 arb years in this as well. The intention was probably just to buy out 3 years of free agency. His 4 year (22-25) arb money came out to just under $70M so $80M/3 (~$27M per year) for the remaining free agency years wasn’t that bad of an offer at the time, but I can completely understand why he would not take that after ’21 but who knows if he was kicking himself for not locking in at least some money after he had two so-called ‘down years’ although I wouldn’t call 2022 a down year.

    Obviously the price has gone up because contract inflation is crazy and he’s still young and had a great 2024, but if he thinks he is worth $500M, I would rather this just go to next offseason and let the market dictate what he’s truly worth. He will need a big 2025 if that’s the case and if the Jays are comfortable getting in a bidding war, then so be it.

    This just doesn’t feel like a perennially competitive team at this point and the farm system is near the basement, so I am not sure how they are going to spend their way out of this nor do I think that is the right thing to do given how competitive the AL East is.

  34. Genuinely giving up on baseball if he walks. The non-parity combined with a fumble like this would just make me hate the sport. Better to walk away

  35. Already accepted Vladdy’s gone and that this FO will try to rebuild again. They’re horrible but they’re just doing what the ownership wants, and Nepo Ed is ultimately to blame.

    They all know that fans will still show up and buy tix/merch regardless of the product on the field, so this is what we’re gonna get until people wise up.

  36. Honestly, I hope no one signs and then the board will go “Wow Rogers is really bad at this job.” No Vladdy means a lot less people cpming to watch baseball.

  40. Pay attention folks, especially those delusional fans that think the Jays have buckets of cash. This is definitely a budget team.

  41. If they don’t sign Vlad and he walks and we get nothing in return there will be a mass exodus of fans. Myself included until there is a change with the front office.

  43. If they nickel and dime vladdy, it might be time to cheer for a different team. This owner doesn’t want to build a winner.

  44. This team is becoming very difficult to root for. I’ve been a blue jays fan since the early 90’s but this is so infuriating. They need to lock up Vladdy and pay him whatever he wants. Part of me hopes he walks since it would be such a slap in the face to this management and ownership group, although I doubt they’d care.

  47. Just ask what he wants and pay him that. For fuck sakes this literally isn’t complicated

    Shatkins 3D chess approach doesn’t work. Never has, never will.

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