Las Vegas Raiders Insider Podcast on the Fine Line Between Passion and Apathy #raiders #raidernation
December 28, 2024
Las Vegas Raiders Insider Podcast on the Fine Line Between Passion and Apathy #raiders #raidernation
Las Vegas Raiders Insider Podcast on the Fine Line Between Passion and Apathy #raiders #raidernation
49 comments
Thanks Hondo I agree I have been a fan since 1968 and it's been trying these last 20 years the younger members of my family are starting to question the state of the Raiders.Stay safe..
Max needs to step up his vocal leadership i think. Have a bigger role on the team. Yes hes a capitan, but you dont get that vibe like ray lewis brought, like brady for any team he was on, petyton manning, michael strahan, Lawrence taylor, etc. Those guys you knew it was their team, the whole worked as directed by that person. A coach can only do so much, especially for pro athletes. Its the players team, they are the ones playing. But something is missing from max that thosw guys had. Maybe its just the voice within the organization, maybe he needs more team hype acrion before the game. He sets the example, but is he really making sure everyone out there is on the same level as him. Making sure the coaches are being held accountable. He should be an extention of AP. The head coach on the field. Like how much does he talk with the offense about an opposing defenses possible strategies or what can the offense do that max would have trouble stopping? Because if max has problems with it, a lesser athlete wont have a chance. And we need more of him. Ray had Ed reed and suggs. Peyton had saturday, and harrison, and the other guys around him that helped make him great. Tom had Bill, jerry rice had steve young and a whole hose of players that were hall of fame worthy. We need that, max needs that if hes going to stay
Die hard fans Detroit and Cleveland threw thick and thin.
Hondo you talked about durable offenses in previous videos. Can you give us a list of firable offenses that AP has committed so far. For me winning that last game was a firable offense.
Hondo has a very valid point. I know many lifelong Raider fans my age in their 60’s, who grew up in the East Bay, who just don’t care like they once did. Many have come to the conclusion that the team will never win again under Davis family ownership.
Dan cambell will be fired after next season if he doesn’t hire another great offensive coordinator. AP will only be successful if he has a great OC
No sex🥺 😂
True, decisions made lately are making are turning a lot of us apathetic. I believe it started with Mc D sabotaging the team and DC thinking he could get Tom Brady. He (Mc D) was a cancer. You don't throw a season away like he did in 2022. Especially the way he did it by trying to make DC look bad to justify the decision. And ultimately get rid of a top 15 QB without an improvement. Been circling the toilet since his tenure.
Mark Davis very low football intelligence
I believe in Tom telesco
Hondo with the sex statement. Classic. You still the man.
Moving a losing team is a recipe for disaster, unless you change the name and logo etc. The name and logo is the only appealing thing about this team. They fucked up. They're doomed.
If they cared about not killing the spirit of the fan base, they wouldn't have moved to Vegas. Now every game is an away game. You turned the team into the freaking Chargers….
good intro. true that through it all it's suprising how many fans are still here. … i'm 44 years old, and i was born into being a raiders fan. My dad attended superbowls back in the day. and I have kept the fire burning, god rest his soul. …. but its hard to quit something you love so much. … but if the Raiders Organization (mark davis) doesn't get it together in the next couple years.. i may make my wife happy and change teams for good. . lol
I always enjoy how Hondo has no ability to edit his videos 😂 an atmosphere that doesn’t have sex… we know what’s on his mind 😬
What’s going to happen is that is going to get worst at the Las Vegas home games !!! It’s going to be nothing but away teams showing up to the games pathetic 😡🤦🏻♂️
I think if Telesco thought Sanders was the answer. He would of asked AP to tank. In spite of that. Keep AP and focus on getting the best players in the draft
I really believe this franchise needs to go after Ben Johnson and give him the last say on who he wants for quarterback to run his system, the last time the raiders were a winning franchise this is precisely what was done, Gruden pick Gannon and those two worked together beautifully with a tad of volatility but it worked, bill bilichik tied his fate to tom brady, it leaves very little room for excuses and builds continuity, i think tom brady would be a good ear to lean on and listen to but his job wont be directly tied to outcome of the decision and it leaves room to deflect responsibility. They are in a division with three very clever , intelligent coaches that arent playing checkers and we need a guy who can bring his own kind of chess game , pay him top dollar and let him have final say on his on the field leader and let him cook, this is the best scenario for long term success,i would almost guarantee he would take the job and run with it.
50+ years as a raider fan. It’s tiresome. And hearing all the idiots for months saying to tank. I’m tired of losing.
Hondo…..keep it simple….when we were an above average team we had great qb play…when we were below .500 we had awful qb play. If coaching drives apathy and passion, then qb play drives the coaching. AP said it best in his opening press conference that we can’t have a “bandaid” at the qb position and expect to win. To his point we draft Bowers who has been great when we already had Mayer INSTEAD of moving up for Bo Nix when JD and Penix were off the board. That’s where the apathy/passion line starts to get crossed. We had more talent than Denver and both teams needed better qb play…..Broncos had a first round grade on Bo Nix and Raiders had a 2nd round grade. I thought Telesco like Oregon qb play? That’s where the problem began….who is calling the shots on draft day? Nix should’ve been a Raider.
I’m going to give you an example… When I was a kid I had a yo-yo!!! And boy did I love that Yo-yo!!! It would go up and it would go down… but after a while I realized that was the extent of it. That’s exactly where the Raiders are now. They can go up and they can go down. But that’s it.
AP and Champ Kelley were aligned in their vision for the team in 2024. Too bad they didn’t have a chance to construct the team accordingly.
I see it as Maxx making it known that they need to fix the problem. Last year, he threatened to demand a trade to keep AP. So maybe he’s trying to make it known so that they don’t go the rebuilding route and instead make something good so it can become something great
It sucks but I think Maxx is gonna be that dividing argument for awhile. ppl saying trade him for and get pick for a QB versus try to build around him. I hope he stayes quiet for awhile. As for AP, he is a scapegoat for complaining. he was never the most qualified, that's why he has 4 ex head coaches on his staff. I firmly believed then as I do now ownership wanted a cheap coach for 2 years until they could clear the books of bad contracts and pay off old coaches. Then in 2026 off season they gonna get who they want. Still looks that way. So AP stays, if Raiders look like crap by trade deadline he's fired, Maxx is traded and clean slate happens with TB12 head of Football Operations.
man said create an atmosphere that doesn’t have sex… 😂
I’m getting sick and tired of being sick and tired of this dumpster fire of an organization. Why did I pick this team to follow
Losing mentality won’t go away until mark sells his majority stake. Synder sells and Washington turns into a winner literally overnight.
As I have said over and over, you can't keep changing coaches and expect to win!!! Period! ALL GREAT COACHES FAILED SEVERAL TIMES BEFORE They SUCCEEDED! It's common knowledge ffs.
AP is promoting and standing on RAIDER style football. Brady’s loud voice only knows the patriot way. I’m a RAIDERS fan not a patriot fan. I’m supporting AP to fulfill his vision of winning a Superbowl playing OUR way!
Begin Davis is already killing the passion
Brady will fail he dosent belong in those org
NFL FIXED THE GAME FOR HIM LIKE THERE DOING FOR THE CHIEFS
Well I am afraid to admit it but I have been a fan since some crazies named them the senores before common sense prevailed and we got the Raiders. I think that was 1959 but with the state of my brain who knows, I know that I am losing my mind but so far I still remember all the stuff that I wish I hadn’t done or said. But I never have turned a Raider game off or stayed in my seat till the end!
Hondo this is now day 2 of you politicking for AP to keep his job. You told us all that we had a great coaching staff and great team. Predicted 10 wins for the season. Yet you now pass yourself off as an expert on how the team should be run!!???? Stay in your lane
Max and his victory cigar celebration after the Raven win this year showed his poor judgment. He wanted AP and now he wants a say in how the team is run????
Creating an atmosphere that doesn’t have sex lmao
Screw Tom Brady
Losing has just become the norm with the raiders
I really like Coach but he doesn’t run the offense. I would really like a head coach that runs the offense but one that brings passion and energy! With that said, Coach does bring passion so I just fear if we get a good offensive coordinator we will be switching them out every other year! That sucks! Especially if we want stability at the head coaching position. But what do I know? Nothing but at the very least I am aware of it 🤷🏻.
Been a fan since ‘68. I’m not going anywhere, because I have stark memories of Lamonica, Stabler, and Plunkett, and three Super Bowl wins back in the day. Can’t take those memories away from me. So, I’ll never leave.
Another Hondo bla bla bla podcast
30 minutes of a nothing burger
AP has done nothing to indicate that he can't be a good NFL coach. He has made mistakes, just like any other rookie coach (or player for that matter) and the players obviously respect him and are still playing hard for him. He wants the Raider way, he gets Raider Nation and Raider culture. Like Hondo said let's get some stability, let's stick with AP for another couple of years. Look, the guy lost half his defensive starters, had one of, if not the worst OC's in the game. Didn't have a decent QB….Bring in a stud QB (draft and/or FA), a decent OC and get the defense back to how it was the last half of the season last year.
Third time this year with the bottle water story
I'm already there, I have been a fan since 1979 and have to watch old championship games because I can't stand to watch the Raiders play anymore and certainly didn't want any Raiders gear to embarrassed to wear it. The last time the Raiders sucked this bad was under Norv Turner who by the way is with the Raiders again.
How can we talk about stability and not support having AP to continue the work he’s doing. Recreating the Raider culture. Keep AP!
Sitting here watching the game, remembering when Hondo the magnificent said no nix wasn’t a nfl quarterback!!!!!
Draft two or three quarterbacks one of them will be an above average starter with proper coaching and management.
The Josh McDaniel era hurt the Raiders so much. He is a franchise killer and Mark chose to ignore that because he wanted Tom Brady to play for the team.
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Thanks Hondo I agree I have been a fan since 1968 and it's been trying these last 20 years the younger members of my family are starting to question the state of the Raiders.Stay safe..
Max needs to step up his vocal leadership i think. Have a bigger role on the team. Yes hes a capitan, but you dont get that vibe like ray lewis brought, like brady for any team he was on, petyton manning, michael strahan, Lawrence taylor, etc. Those guys you knew it was their team, the whole worked as directed by that person. A coach can only do so much, especially for pro athletes. Its the players team, they are the ones playing. But something is missing from max that thosw guys had. Maybe its just the voice within the organization, maybe he needs more team hype acrion before the game. He sets the example, but is he really making sure everyone out there is on the same level as him. Making sure the coaches are being held accountable. He should be an extention of AP. The head coach on the field. Like how much does he talk with the offense about an opposing defenses possible strategies or what can the offense do that max would have trouble stopping? Because if max has problems with it, a lesser athlete wont have a chance. And we need more of him. Ray had Ed reed and suggs. Peyton had saturday, and harrison, and the other guys around him that helped make him great. Tom had Bill, jerry rice had steve young and a whole hose of players that were hall of fame worthy. We need that, max needs that if hes going to stay
Die hard fans Detroit and Cleveland threw thick and thin.
Hondo you talked about durable offenses in previous videos. Can you give us a list of firable offenses that AP has committed so far. For me winning that last game was a firable offense.
Hondo has a very valid point. I know many lifelong Raider fans my age in their 60’s, who grew up in the East Bay, who just don’t care like they once did. Many have come to the conclusion that the team will never win again under Davis family ownership.
Dan cambell will be fired after next season if he doesn’t hire another great offensive coordinator.
AP will only be successful if he has a great OC
No sex🥺 😂
True, decisions made lately are making are turning a lot of us apathetic. I believe it started with Mc D sabotaging the team and DC thinking he could get Tom Brady. He (Mc D) was a cancer. You don't throw a season away like he did in 2022. Especially the way he did it by trying to make DC look bad to justify the decision. And ultimately get rid of a top 15 QB without an improvement. Been circling the toilet since his tenure.
Mark Davis very low football intelligence
I believe in Tom telesco
Hondo with the sex statement. Classic. You still the man.
Moving a losing team is a recipe for disaster, unless you change the name and logo etc. The name and logo is the only appealing thing about this team. They fucked up. They're doomed.
If they cared about not killing the spirit of the fan base, they wouldn't have moved to Vegas. Now every game is an away game. You turned the team into the freaking Chargers….
good intro. true that through it all it's suprising how many fans are still here. … i'm 44 years old, and i was born into being a raiders fan. My dad attended superbowls back in the day. and I have kept the fire burning, god rest his soul. …. but its hard to quit something you love so much. … but if the Raiders Organization (mark davis) doesn't get it together in the next couple years.. i may make my wife happy and change teams for good. . lol
I always enjoy how Hondo has no ability to edit his videos 😂 an atmosphere that doesn’t have sex… we know what’s on his mind 😬
What’s going to happen is that is going to get worst at the Las Vegas home games !!! It’s going to be nothing but away teams showing up to the games pathetic 😡🤦🏻♂️
I think if Telesco thought Sanders was the answer. He would of asked AP to tank. In spite of that. Keep AP and focus on getting the best players in the draft
I really believe this franchise needs to go after Ben Johnson and give him the last say on who he wants for quarterback to run his system, the last time the raiders were a winning franchise this is precisely what was done, Gruden pick Gannon and those two worked together beautifully with a tad of volatility but it worked, bill bilichik tied his fate to tom brady, it leaves very little room for excuses and builds continuity, i think tom brady would be a good ear to lean on and listen to but his job wont be directly tied to outcome of the decision and it leaves room to deflect responsibility. They are in a division with three very clever , intelligent coaches that arent playing checkers and we need a guy who can bring his own kind of chess game , pay him top dollar and let him have final say on his on the field leader and let him cook, this is the best scenario for long term success,i would almost guarantee he would take the job and run with it.
50+ years as a raider fan. It’s tiresome. And hearing all the idiots for months saying to tank. I’m tired of losing.
Hondo…..keep it simple….when we were an above average team we had great qb play…when we were below .500 we had awful qb play. If coaching drives apathy and passion, then qb play drives the coaching. AP said it best in his opening press conference that we can’t have a “bandaid” at the qb position and expect to win. To his point we draft Bowers who has been great when we already had Mayer INSTEAD of moving up for Bo Nix when JD and Penix were off the board. That’s where the apathy/passion line starts to get crossed. We had more talent than Denver and both teams needed better qb play…..Broncos had a first round grade on Bo Nix and Raiders had a 2nd round grade. I thought Telesco like Oregon qb play? That’s where the problem began….who is calling the shots on draft day? Nix should’ve been a Raider.
I’m going to give you an example…
When I was a kid I had a yo-yo!!! And boy did I love that Yo-yo!!! It would go up and it would go down… but after a while I realized that was the extent of it. That’s exactly where the Raiders are now. They can go up and they can go down. But that’s it.
AP and Champ Kelley were aligned in their vision for the team in 2024. Too bad they didn’t have a chance to construct the team accordingly.
I see it as Maxx making it known that they need to fix the problem. Last year, he threatened to demand a trade to keep AP. So maybe he’s trying to make it known so that they don’t go the rebuilding route and instead make something good so it can become something great
It sucks but I think Maxx is gonna be that dividing argument for awhile. ppl saying trade him for and get pick for a QB versus try to build around him. I hope he stayes quiet for awhile. As for AP, he is a scapegoat for complaining. he was never the most qualified, that's why he has 4 ex head coaches on his staff. I firmly believed then as I do now ownership wanted a cheap coach for 2 years until they could clear the books of bad contracts and pay off old coaches. Then in 2026 off season they gonna get who they want. Still looks that way. So AP stays, if Raiders look like crap by trade deadline he's fired, Maxx is traded and clean slate happens with TB12 head of Football Operations.
man said create an atmosphere that doesn’t have sex… 😂
I’m getting sick and tired of being sick and tired of this dumpster fire of an organization. Why did I pick this team to follow
Losing mentality won’t go away until mark sells his majority stake. Synder sells and Washington turns into a winner literally overnight.
As I have said over and over, you can't keep changing coaches and expect to win!!! Period! ALL GREAT COACHES FAILED SEVERAL TIMES BEFORE They SUCCEEDED! It's common knowledge ffs.
AP is promoting and standing on RAIDER style football. Brady’s loud voice only knows the patriot way. I’m a RAIDERS fan not a patriot fan. I’m supporting AP to fulfill his vision of winning a Superbowl playing OUR way!
Begin Davis is already killing the passion
Brady will fail he dosent belong in those org
NFL FIXED THE GAME FOR HIM LIKE THERE DOING FOR THE CHIEFS
Well I am afraid to admit it but I have been a fan since some crazies named them the senores before common sense prevailed and we got the Raiders. I think that was 1959 but with the state of my brain who knows, I know that I am losing my mind but so far I still remember all the stuff that I wish I hadn’t done or said. But I never have turned a Raider game off or stayed in my seat till the end!
Hondo this is now day 2 of you politicking for AP to keep his job. You told us all that we had a great coaching staff and great team. Predicted 10 wins for the season. Yet you now pass yourself off as an expert on how the team should be run!!???? Stay in your lane
Max and his victory cigar celebration after the Raven win this year showed his poor judgment. He wanted AP and now he wants a say in how the team is run????
Creating an atmosphere that doesn’t have sex lmao
Screw Tom Brady
Losing has just become the norm with the raiders
I really like Coach but he doesn’t run the offense. I would really like a head coach that runs the offense but one that brings passion and energy! With that said, Coach does bring passion so I just fear if we get a good offensive coordinator we will be switching them out every other year! That sucks! Especially if we want stability at the head coaching position. But what do I know? Nothing but at the very least I am aware of it 🤷🏻.
Been a fan since ‘68. I’m not going anywhere, because I have stark memories of Lamonica, Stabler, and Plunkett, and three Super Bowl wins back in the day. Can’t take those memories away from me. So, I’ll never leave.
Another Hondo bla bla bla podcast
30 minutes of a nothing burger
AP has done nothing to indicate that he can't be a good NFL coach. He has made mistakes, just like any other rookie coach (or player for that matter) and the players obviously respect him and are still playing hard for him. He wants the Raider way, he gets Raider Nation and Raider culture. Like Hondo said let's get some stability, let's stick with AP for another couple of years. Look, the guy lost half his defensive starters, had one of, if not the worst OC's in the game. Didn't have a decent QB….Bring in a stud QB (draft and/or FA), a decent OC and get the defense back to how it was the last half of the season last year.
Third time this year with the bottle water story
I'm already there, I have been a fan since 1979 and have to watch old championship games because I can't stand to watch the Raiders play anymore and certainly didn't want any Raiders gear to embarrassed to wear it. The last time the Raiders sucked this bad was under Norv Turner who by the way is with the Raiders again.
How can we talk about stability and not support having AP to continue the work he’s doing. Recreating the Raider culture. Keep AP!
Sitting here watching the game, remembering when Hondo the magnificent said no nix wasn’t a nfl quarterback!!!!!
Draft two or three quarterbacks one of them will be an above average starter with proper coaching and management.
The Josh McDaniel era hurt the Raiders so much. He is a franchise killer and Mark chose to ignore that because he wanted Tom Brady to play for the team.